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bobbything 01-02-2022 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 16049573)
If it was just shitty officiating we would’ve benefited at some point in the second half.
The only call I remember benefiting from was the PI against Kelce early in the game. If we are keeping score on bad calls, they got the better end of that stick 10-1.

That said, if we had safety help on Chase, we likely are bitching about the officials after a win.

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sully1983 (Post 16049438)
I'm usually not one to call out the refs cause I think they have a very hard job (pro football is insanely fast and so much is going on that they need to pay attention to in only a matter of seconds) but holy crap that bs call cost the Chiefs the game and shouldn't have been called. No way should the game have been decided by the refs imo. Oh well on to the next one
But easy enough to be handled by part-timers. Just sayin...

smithandrew051 01-02-2022 08:52 PM
Whether the refs are bad by design or they’re just bad at their jobs doesn’t really matter. The result is the same, and we’ll all keep watching.

Give it a few days and we’ll be ready to get hurt again.

eDave 01-02-2022 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 16049585)
That said, if we had safety help on Chase, we likely are botching about the officials after a win.
Stop it. Without a level playing field, nothing else matters.

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost of Maslowski (Post 16049448)
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not a false start, and neither was Burrow's that got KC an offsides flag instead
Wait, what?

Oh I get it, that fell under the "at that moment we decided to let them play" heading...

TomBarndtsTwin 01-02-2022 08:59 PM
I wouldn’t say the NFL ‘rigs games’, per say.

I would say there was a LOT of questionable officiating at the end of that game (all which seemed to work in the Bengals favor) and also the ‘hold’ on the Pringle return that had nothing to do with the play. Yeah, it was technically a hold, but you could call a hold like that literally on every play. The refs usually swallow their whistle their and this time they chose not to and I honestly believe it was because they were trying to keep the game ‘close’ going into the second half. NFL didn’t want a blowout in the first half, which is what it would have been had that TD counted.

So ‘rigged’ ? No. Outcome ‘influenced’ heavily by officials? Most definitely.

Dartgod 01-02-2022 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16049607)
I wouldn’t say the NFL ‘rigs games’, per say.

I would say there was a LOT of questionable officiating at the end of that game (all which seemed to work in the Bengals favor) and also the ‘hold’ on the Pringle return that had nothing to do with the play. Yeah, it was technically a hold, but you could call a hold like that literally on every play. The refs usually swallow their whistle their and this time they chose not to and I honestly believe it was because they were trying to keep the game ‘close’ going into the second half. NFL didn’t want a blowout in the first half, which is what it would have been had that TD counted.

So ‘rigged’ ? No. Outcome ‘influenced’ heavily by officials? Most definitely.
How often do refs really decide to "swallow their whistle" on Chiefs kick returns? We get flagged frequently on those.

eDave 01-02-2022 09:01 PM
Influencing is rigging. I don't understand how some of you are trying to blur the line here.

PHOG 01-02-2022 09:02 PM
Definition of rigged
1: manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rigged

PunkinDrublic 01-02-2022 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 16049585)
The only call I remember benefiting from was the PI against Kelce early in the game. If we are keeping score on bad calls, they got the better end of that stick 10-1.

That said, if we had safety help on Chase, we likely are bitching about the officials after a win.
One team is allowed do over after do over when they don’t convert and the other gets a bogus holding call that puts them in a very difficult 3rd and long situation. We scored 3 points in the second half in large part because our possessions were limited due to one sided officiating extending the bengals drives.

I don’t believe in things being rigged but there’s no question that one sided officiating swung the momentum of that game.

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 09:06 PM
I think there's a substantive difference between rigging a game and influencing the outcome of a game. I think the NFL (the corporation) does what it can do, subtly, to increase profits.

Bearcat 01-02-2022 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 16049614)
Influencing is rigging. I don't understand how some of you are trying to blur the line here.
I don't think that's entirely true.

If the NFL tells the refs to crack down on shenanigans during the SB because they don't want the same chippy stuff as the AFCCG, and the refs completely botch their instructions.... I would certainly say the NFL influenced the game, but wouldn't necessarily say they rigged the game. Of course, if they handed down those instructions with any intention of changing the outcome of the game, then it's influencing and rigging.

And that's what most of the debate comes down to.... those who think it's a relatively wide spread effort with refs -- and some even say players -- versus a situation like I mentioned.

And 99% of the time, questions about how the NFL keeps it all a secret and so forth are completely ignored by those who believe it.... and the other 1% it's vague bullshit that never really answers anything.

eDave 01-02-2022 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16049624)
I think there's a substantive difference between rigging a game and influencing the outcome of a game. I think the NFL (the corporation) does what it can do, subtly, to increase profits.
It's the same ****ing thing. ****!

stevieray 01-02-2022 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 16049551)
Yea...it's pretty obvious that the game is rigged and has been for a long time. I still remember watching Tamba being damn near put in a choke hold multiple times a game, but somehow never getting the flag.
0h man..it was unreal how much they allowed him to be held.

smithandrew051 01-02-2022 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16049628)
0h man..it was unreal how much they allowed him to be held.
He got clotheslined more than a jobber against Bradshaw in his Acolytes days

Rainbarrel 01-02-2022 09:12 PM
Without robotic birds and prophetic demons trapped in the bodies of pain intolerant hostages. These ideas will all die on social media

bobbything 01-02-2022 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eDave (Post 16049627)
It's the same ****ing thing. ****!
Why are you arguing semantics? What difference does it make?

durtyrute 01-02-2022 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16049628)
0h man..it was unreal how much they allowed him to be held.
Man, it was terrible. That was around the time I first started to notice the rigging or influencing or whatever. A person can only see instances like those so many times without thinking something's up....hahaha.

Easy 6 01-02-2022 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16049607)
I wouldn’t say the NFL ‘rigs games’, per say.

I would say there was a LOT of questionable officiating at the end of that game (all which seemed to work in the Bengals favor) and also the ‘hold’ on the Pringle return that had nothing to do with the play. Yeah, it was technically a hold, but you could call a hold like that literally on every play. The refs usually swallow their whistle their and this time they chose not to and I honestly believe it was because they were trying to keep the game ‘close’ going into the second half. NFL didn’t want a blowout in the first half, which is what it would have been had that TD counted.

So ‘rigged’ ? No. Outcome ‘influenced’ heavily by officials? Most definitely.
Too many of you guys wanna dance around the obvious in spite of the asinine outcomes we all see every single week, scared to be viewed as konspiracy kooks by all the popular kids IMO

No it isn't scripted to the level of WWE, but week after week and year after year we can't ignore our eyes... these refs are able to dominate games with ZERO consequences

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 09:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eDave (Post 16049627)
It's the same ****ing thing. ****!
No it's not. Influence still gives the one side a chance, but it's an uphill battle. You know, not calling penalties on the favored team vs calling them on the other team. Rigged is straight-out rigged.

And that's where the power in the "subjective" calls ("there's a hold on every play:....) is provided to officials to influence games.

Spott 01-02-2022 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16049641)
Too many of you guys wanna dance around the obvious in spite of the asinine outcomes we all see every single week, scared to be viewed as konspiracy kooks by all the popular kids IMO

No it isn't scripted to the level of WWE, but week after week and year after year we can't ignore our eyes... these refs are able to dominate games with ZERO consequences
If you pay attention close enough, you can see early on which games they are trying to push a certain direction. Usually it starts with little things like bad spots that are about about a yard off each time and almost always in one team’s favor.

If anyone is naïve enough to think the NFL isn’t influencing some of these games on purpose, they need to have their head examined.

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16049628)
0h man..it was unreal how much they allowed him to be held.
But remember, NFL officials call everything they see, but only see what they want.

wachashi 01-02-2022 09:25 PM
Reid mentioned in his presser the Pringle kickoff return TD that was called back due to a penalty. He didn’t say whether or not he thought it was a bad call, but it seemed like he was implying that it was. I didn’t catch the replay on that. Did it look like a bad call or was it fairly obvious holding?

Mecca 01-02-2022 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16049612)
How often do refs really decide to "swallow their whistle" on Chiefs kick returns? We get flagged frequently on those.
I sometimes think it's because they view it as we score slot we don't need extra scores or great field position to make it worse.

GloryDayz 01-02-2022 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16049641)
Too many of you guys wanna dance around the obvious in spite of the asinine outcomes we all see every single week, scared to be viewed as konspiracy kooks by all the popular kids IMO

No it isn't scripted to the level of WWE, but week after week and year after year we can't ignore our eyes... these refs are able to dominate games with ZERO consequences
If anything bothers me, it's probably that. For a group of people who publicly stand in judgment of players, it would be nice to know that these crews are being evaluated. I'm sure they are, but for all we know it's nothing more than some folks meeting at Denny's and having a patty melt and shooting the shit about their last flights, hotel stays, and what their grandkids are doing. And that the league won't allow any decent to be voiced about these part time employees.

EDIT: It really feeds the conspiracy theory. And I think the NFL likes that..

Mecca 01-02-2022 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16049646)
If you pay attention close enough, you can see early on which games they are trying to push a certain direction. Usually it starts with little things like bad spots that are about about a yard off each time and almost always in one team’s favor.

If anyone is naïve enough to think the NFL isn’t influencing some of these games on purpose, they need to have their head examined.
Rewatch the game...there's a side judge that spots the ball wrong 3 times and he's responsible for 3 of the flags that are just bad calls....ringer?

Ghost of Maslowski 01-02-2022 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16049650)
Reid mentioned in his presser the Pringle kickoff return TD that was called back due to a penalty. He didn’t say whether or not he thought it was a bad call, but it seemed like he was implying that it was. I didn’t catch the replay on that. Did it look like a bad call or was it fairly obvious holding?
see for yourself, replay is in slow motion and they flagged KC #39

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TimBone 01-02-2022 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16049452)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like we have a late substitution at the referee position in Cincinnati. Ron Torbert is in for John Hussey. This is the first unscheduled white hat substitution of the season <a href="https://t.co/kIhjYzYBtC">pic.twitter.com/kIhjYzYBtC</a></p>— Fᴏᴏᴛʙᴀʟʟ Zᴇʙʀᴀs (@footballzebras) <a href="https://twitter.com/footballzebras/status/1477704333529686020?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This fact seems…pertinent: Torbert has the third-highest percentage of home teams with fewer penalties at .692.</p>— Mark Owens (@hooptveast) <a href="https://twitter.com/hooptveast/status/1477818588274774018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also seemingly pertinent: Torbert replaced John Hussey, who’s at the other end of the home-team-gets-the-calls spectrum. Hussey is tied for the lowest percentage of home teams with fewer penalties at .182.</p>— Mark Owens (@hooptveast) <a href="https://twitter.com/hooptveast/status/1477819950244978693?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
eDave, why did we get switched to this officiating crew last minute today?

Clyde Frog 01-02-2022 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16049650)
Reid mentioned in his presser the Pringle kickoff return TD that was called back due to a penalty. He didn’t say whether or not he thought it was a bad call, but it seemed like he was implying that it was. I didn’t catch the replay on that. Did it look like a bad call or was it fairly obvious holding?

It was a hold. But the frustrating part was unless he was going to shed his block and catch a 4.4 runner who was already 10 yards in front of him w a full head of steam it had 0 influence on the play.


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TimBone 01-02-2022 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16049460)
So they essentially replaced the Ref we were supposed to have who has the least amount of home team victories with a Ref that has the 3rd most home team victories.....

And yet to see an explanation as to why
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049493)
Can you explain why the NFL replaced the ref with the lowest percentage of calls against the visiting team with the ref who far and away leads the league with calls against the visiting team?

I'd be real interested in how you'd care to explain that.
I'm hoping eDave has the answer.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch 01-02-2022 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16049607)
I wouldn’t say the NFL ‘rigs games’, per say.

I would say there was a LOT of questionable officiating at the end of that game (all which seemed to work in the Bengals favor) and also the ‘hold’ on the Pringle return that had nothing to do with the play. Yeah, it was technically a hold, but you could call a hold like that literally on every play. The refs usually swallow their whistle their and this time they chose not to and I honestly believe it was because they were trying to keep the game ‘close’ going into the second half. NFL didn’t want a blowout in the first half, which is what it would have been had that TD counted.

So ‘rigged’ ? No. Outcome ‘influenced’ heavily by officials? Most definitely.
Hi Tom. I dont like your name. I don't like Toms. So I feel no remorse for grammar correcting you here:

Its per se, not per say.

wachashi 01-02-2022 10:09 PM
“The games are predetermined by referees and the NFL, but that doesn’t stop me from bitching about the coaches making stupid calls or players making mistakes. I also religiously follow Chiefs news in the off-season and never miss the NFL draft. But, yeah, it’s all rigged and if you think otherwise you’re a real sucker.”

Signed,
- Dozens in this thread, apparently

TripleThreat 01-02-2022 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 493rd (Post 16047990)
Anyone who doesn’t think games are rigged is ignorant. With all the $$$ involved there’s also corruption. Today we were the victims of it.
If you truly believe his you must be a big WWE fan.

If you truly believe this I commend you for somehow finding enjoyment in something you believe to be rigged. I could never do that. When I watch spider man I know it’s fake and the producers tell us it’s fake. I wouldn’t do that with a sport that claims not to be rigged.

TripleThreat 01-02-2022 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16049708)
“The games are predetermined by referees and the NFL, but that doesn’t stop me from bitching about the coaches making stupid calls or players making mistakes. I also religiously follow Chiefs news in the off-season and never miss the NFL draft. But, yeah, it’s all rigged and if you think otherwise you’re a real sucker.”

Signed,
- Dozens in this thread, apparently
That’s my thought lol. You said it much better than I. If they truly believe this is a rigged sport, how they waste their time watching it and the invested time they put into it is beyond me.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 16049513)
When I think fixed, I think predetermined
Okay, so we'll use the word "manipulated" to make you feel better.

Totally semantics, but whatever.

PAChiefsGuy 01-02-2022 10:17 PM
Get out here w rigged bs. Chiefs had plenty of opportunities to win the game and they blew it every single time.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16049520)
Why wouldn't they be? Are you suggesting that only certain crews are in on the conspiracy?
No.

We are explaining to you that the refs were swapped for a reason.

Quit being the NFL's lapdog.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16049716)
Get out here w rigged bs. Chiefs had plenty of opportunities to win the game and they blew it every single time.
Oh, here comes one of the most astute brains on the board to subjectively weigh in...

bobbything 01-02-2022 10:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049714)
Okay, so we'll use the word "manipulated" to make you feel better.

Totally semantics, but whatever.
Okay (?)

I am not wanting to argue semantics. I don’t think the outcome is predetermined or that the NFL instructs refs to do what they can to make sure certain teams win. I think they get involved when blowouts between high profile teams appear eminent.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16049662)
eDave, why did we get switched to this officiating crew last minute today?
In the ONLY UNSCHEDULED referee substitution at all this season, to boot?

BlackOp 01-02-2022 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16049716)
Get out here w rigged bs. Chiefs had plenty of opportunities to win the game and they blew it every single time.
Somebody needs to believe...NFL corporate loves you.

Bengals had 6 first downs by penalty...Chiefs had zero.

Chiefs were penalized for a false start by Burrow. Bengals committed a false start, had the Chiefs pointing at them...and the refs ignored it on a third and inches on the goal line.

Chiefs got a DPI on a play where no DPI happened...on third down. That is a punt that never happened...on a drive that put up points.

The refs went completely ape-shit lopsided in the 4th quarter....ignoring one teams fouls and inventing them for the other.

Dont forget the 3rd and two conversion that got called back for holding and killed KC's drive around midfield...ticky-tack 3rd down holding calls are the NFL's trick for controlling outcomes.

Look at WHEN these penalties were called/not called....all on third down.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 16049723)
Okay (?)

I am not wanting to argue semantics. I don’t think the outcome is predetermined or that the NFL instructs refs to do what they can to make sure certain teams win. I think they get involved when blowouts between high profile teams appear eminent.
We've already established that often, the results of the contest aren't predetermined :

Titans/Chiefs in the FORWARD PROGRESS game is a great example - the Chiefs were SCREAMING toward a beatdown of TEN. Triplett drops the FP bomb, TEN comes back (in a manner just like the Bungholes today), the game gets tied...and the NFL has a close game on national TV in the playoffs. Doesn't matter which asshole team kicks the FG at the end, because the winner of that game was scheduled to get jobbed by NE. Which TEN promptly did. And JAX got jobbed in the AFCCG- Myles Jacks had either an INT or fumble recovery...but the NFL loves them some Tom Brady.

Sometimes, it's for TV/entertainment purposes. Sometimes its for the storyline. And sometimes, the oddest shit will happen at the end of a game and the team covers the spread. AMAZING.

Dartgod 01-02-2022 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049720)
No.



We are explaining to you that the refs were swapped for a reason.



Quit being the NFL's lapdog.
Why even follow the Chiefs then, if it's all predetermined?

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suzzer99 01-02-2022 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 16049506)
I don’t believe games are fixed but I certainly believe that they are influenced by officiating. I don’t think officials are told to favor one team over another but I definitely believe that they call games a certain way, given the appropriate situation, to ensure they’re as close as possible.

For instance, today…big time game. A blowout looked to be on the horizon. Then Pringle’s return was called back. On a play that happens all the time. I don’t think that’s coincidence.

A few years ago we were about to destroy Houston. This was when they were trying to hype up the Mahomes/Watson thing. We were getting ready to go up 17 or something when a PI call against Houston was mysteriously erased by a call from “upstairs.” The call was made, marked off, then changed by the hand of God with no explanation. Next thing I know we turn the ball over and Houston is right back in it.
Where was the eye in the sky to fix some of the BS calls today - like the Sneed DPI? The league can have gigantic influence over games by selectively applying that thing.

PAChiefsGuy 01-02-2022 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16049727)
Somebody needs to believe...NFL corporate loves you.

Bengals had 6 first downs by penalty...Chiefs had zero.
Don't remember you making these conspiracy posts after Chiefs won the SB. Can't have it both ways guy

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16049730)
Why even follow the Chiefs then, if it's all predetermined?
1. When did I ever say anything was predetermined? I said manipulated. That often happens on the fly. You have a severe comprehension problem.

2. Movies and TV shows are predetermined. Should I not watch any of them? It's a ****ing TV show, bro. That's all. I love the NFL. Brian Tuhoy goes into it in his website. Why don't you just click the link and read for yourself? Because the only thing I waste my time doing is responding to one-dimensional thinkers who lack the capacity for abstract thought due to a severe and chronic issue of cognitive dissonance.

Any questions you have further will be answered by copy/paste from this website, so go ahead and read up if you have any more questions. https://www.thefixisin.net

suzzer99 01-02-2022 10:36 PM
So when "the NFL" switches out a ref crew at the last minute. Do we know who actually makes those decisions? Does Goodell have direct input? I wish reporters would ask that question, and the NFL had some transparency about that.

dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16047935)
The refs really showed out for the Bungles today.

**** the NFL.
Did they also rig the 2019 game against NE with those blown calls?

Chiefs have gotten bad calls for them and against them

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16049744)
Did they also rig the 2019 game against NE with those blown calls?

Chiefs have gotten bad calls for them and against them
1. The Dee Ford game? When Chris Jones got flagged 15 yards for getting too close to Tom Brady?

2. See below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16049733)
Don't remember you making these conspiracy posts after Chiefs won the SB. Can't have it both ways guy
That was simple - no one wanted a boring ass 20-10 SF victory.

They "missed" a pretty blatant hold on WASP no one wants to talk about outside of SF.

Now kindly go **** yourself.

Dartgod 01-02-2022 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049740)
1. When did I ever say anything was predetermined? I said manipulated. That often happens on the fly. You have a severe comprehension problem.

2. Movies and TV shows are predetermined. Should I not watch any of them? It's a ****ing TV show, bro. That's all. I love the NFL. Brian Tuhoy goes into it in his website. Why don't you just click the link and read for yourself? Because the only thing I waste my time doing is responding to one-dimensional thinkers who lack the capacity for abstract thought due to a severe and chronic issue of cognitive dissonance.

Any questions you have further will be answered by copy/paste from this website, so go ahead and read up if you have any more questions. https://www.thefixisin.net
My apologies, I must have confused you with blackop or one of the others who are claiming that.

Why wait to change out the crew? If they wanted to "manipulate" the game in the Bengals favor, why not just assign this crew in the first place?

And I thought it was just one ref who got replaced? I wasn't really paying attention, did they really swap out the whole crew?

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suzzer99 01-02-2022 10:42 PM
They swapped out at least 4 refs that I saw, presumably because of covid. But since there's zero transparency on this stuff we have no idea why they did it or who is "they".

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16049742)
So when "the NFL" switches out a ref crew at the last minute. Do we know who actually makes those decisions? Does Goodell have direct input? I wish reporters would ask that question, and the NFL had some transparency about that.
You'd think they'd have hid behind the COVID cloak or something.

But nope. "One official is as good as the other."

Remember when they made a big deal about the 'all-star crew' with the Rams MNF game in 2018...and the were allowed to false start in a close game that was handed to the Chiefs' opponents?

Anytime they talk about the officials before the game, be leery.

BlackOp 01-02-2022 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16049733)
Don't remember you making these conspiracy posts after Chiefs won the SB. Can't have it both ways guy
You have shit for a memory...I've been making conspiracy posts for a decade.

Actually, 2 decades...was a Coalition member during the Bush years....back before Sly became Mayor. I had no idea he even became Mayor..he was a just a poster on there.

There are only two games in the Mahomes era where I lifted an eyebrow....the 49ers game in PM's rookie season where JG blew out his knee...and "maybe" the WASP play...holding could have been called...it wasn't egregious enough to warrant a conspiracy...it was a wild, chaotic play in the SB. The only reason SF still talk about it...is because it was successful.

Not like flagrantly ignored calls we experienced against Manning... other teams have no idea how bad KC has been bent over through the years.

We're like...THAT isn't missed holding...you haven't seen shit.

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dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049749)
1. The Dee Ford game? When Chris Jones got flagged 15 yards for getting too close to Tom Brady?

2. See below:



That was simple - no one wanted a boring ass 20-10 SF victory.

They "missed" a pretty blatant hold on WASP no one wants to talk about outside of SF.

Now kindly go **** yourself.

I was talking about the 2019 regular season. With

1) The bad spot

2) The quick whistle negating a McCourty TD

3) N'Keal Harry wrongly ruled out of bounds

(2 and 3 are linked, only one could have happened)

4) possible missed PI call on the Patriots last drive

Refs have been horrid for awhile, but I don't think they've been targeting one particular team

If you remember, the CHIEFS got most of the calls in AFC title game against NE. Gronk and Edelman were mauled the entire game.

My team should be 9-7 right now, but instead we are out of the playoff race because our receiver was TACKLED in the end zone week 3 against Oakland, with no flag in overtime.

T-post Tom 01-02-2022 11:02 PM
“It was totally a fumble,” Cowboys linebacker Leighton Vander Esch said. “I just don’t understand how with the technology that we have today, even if we don’t have timeouts, or whatever it may be, to . . . [not be able to] challenge it. It’s so obvious. Certain things are so obvious in games that refs are messing up. Why aren’t they fixing it? It doesn’t make any sense to me. To me, we’re playing more against the refs than we are other teams.”



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/02/leighton-vander-esch-were-playing-more-against-the-refs-than-we-are-other-teams/

Jerm 01-02-2022 11:03 PM
I’ll absolutely have the conversation that certain officials, crews, etc. call games a certain way due to personal agendas, outside influences, possible gambling ties, etc…I mean it’s really hard to not believe it when something like today happens.

Also I’d sure like to know why Hussey’s crew was completely swapped out at the last second for Tolbert’s….zero transparency and that’s the kind of stuff that makes people question things.

dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:05 PM
Browns got screwed against the Packers

Mecca 01-02-2022 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16049730)
Why even follow the Chiefs then, if it's all predetermined?

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dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:15 PM
Broncos got screwed in the Manning era. Calls went against them in the Divisional game against Baltimore

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16049782)
I was talking about the 2019 regular season. With

1) The bad spot

2) The quick whistle negating a McCourty TD

3) N'Keal Harry wrongly ruled out of bounds

(2 and 3 are linked, only one could have happened)

4) possible missed PI call on the Patriots last drive

Refs have been horrid for awhile, but I don't think they've been targeting one particular team

If you remember, the CHIEFS got most of the calls in AFC title game against NE. Gronk and Edelman were mauled the entire game.

My team should be 9-7 right now, but instead we are out of the playoff race because our receiver was TACKLED in the end zone week 3 against Oakland, with no flag in overtime.
No, I don't remember all that. I remember jumping up on the Patriots and them being upset on the Henry being out of bounds, but whatever.

In the AFC title game against NE, we got JOBBED.

The Chris Jones phantom penalty for getting close to Brady, Kelce and Hill got mauled plenty, and that flag for offsides didn't come out until Brady threw the pick.

And yeah, Raiders are dirty and that should've been called. The refs are egregiously crooked.

rabblerouser 01-02-2022 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16049808)
Broncos got screwed in the Manning era. Calls went against them in the Divisional game against Baltimore
And the SB in Seattle.

threebag 01-02-2022 11:20 PM
How about the Derrick Johnson forward progress against the Titans?

BlackOp 01-02-2022 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16049808)
Broncos got screwed in the Manning era. Calls went against them in the Divisional game against Baltimore
Shut the **** up...Dolphin fan going to come on here and talk to KC fans about Manning getting calls.

Cool...can I lecture you about how Brady never gets any calls in his favor? I mean you guys only played him for two decades..so I obviously know better..

wazu 01-02-2022 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16048035)
NFL spoke...they sent in a last minute replacement crew.

Looks like 3 playoffs games with Mahomes will make them more $$...
That doesn't sound so bad.

Easy 6 01-02-2022 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16049730)
Why even follow the Chiefs then, if it's all predetermined?

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Don't single out rabble, there are plenty enough other people here to pick on

Todays officiating was a disgrace, and everyone knows it... simplistic, no win questions like that conveniently ignore 1000 shades of shady

BlackOp 01-02-2022 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16049820)
That doesn't sound so bad.
It sounds bad if it's deliberate...how am I supposed feel excited about a victory or angry about a defeat if I'm questioning the authenticity of what I'm watching?

Who really gives a shit if that's the case...

Not to derail too much with political theory...but isn't one of the most "American" fabric things the NFL/Football? Would it behoove certain groups to cheapen it?

There has to be a somewhat cheapened aspect for Bengals fans...I was trying to flip the scenario in my head....if the same exact thing happened today only in KC's favor....I would be kind of "meh"...like "Cool, KC gets a bye I guess"...but also dirty at the same time.

Dont answer in this thread...I just wanted to throw that concept out there.

Go to the political section...if anyone wants to discuss it in detail.

dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16049818)
Shut the **** up...Dolphin fan going to come on here and talk to KC fans about Manning getting calls.

Cool...can I lecture you about how Brady never gets any calls in his favor? I mean you guys only played him for two decades..so I obviously know better..
Brady never got calls in NE

mkp785 01-02-2022 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16049827)
Don't single out rabble, there are plenty enough other people here to pick on

Todays officiating was a disgrace, and everyone knows it... simplistic, no win questions like that conveniently ignore 1000 shades of shady
Rabble's post is stupid. So is your follow up post. Our CBs got smoked. Plain and simple. Chase cooked our shit and while the refs had some shitty calls, doesn't change the fact that our secondary got smoked.

Whatever. Guess we're playing wildcard weekend. Personally, I hope we get the Patriots as I'd like to see us crush the over-rated Macaroni Jones.

dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16049812)
And the SB in Seattle.
I don't remember any bad calls in that SB. They just got their asses kicked big time.

Then, the next year, that STUPIO ****ING MORONIC SEAHAWKS HAD TO TANK THE FOURTH QUARTER!!!!

TWO POSSESSIONS WITH A TEN POINT LEAD!!!!

SEVEN PLAYS!!!!

One time I misbehaved at work, so my boss locked me in the break room and forced me to watch that entire fourth quarter.

(Well, that isn't true)

Last year's Super Bowl was the wimpy bowl. Those refs were ridiculous. I mean, Sean Murphy-Bunting did far worse in the playoffs.

Patty Moans 01-02-2022 11:42 PM
We're lucky they didn't call pass interference on every play. There was holding by our corners that went uncalled. The refs didn't win that game we lost it and all the whining in the world won't change that. During the eight game winning streak we got away with a ton of penalties that weren't called. Pay respect to the winning team and play better.

Clyde Frog 01-02-2022 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16049827)
Don't single out rabble, there are plenty enough other people here to pick on

Todays officiating was a disgrace, and everyone knows it... simplistic, no win questions like that conveniently ignore 1000 shades of shady

Not only was it a disgrace but it was an imbalanced disgrace. NFL and apologists can claim incompetence when the bad calls are riddled throughout and both teams get hosed but when both teams have to play by a completely different set of rules and those rules obviously benefit one team and screw another the discussions like we’re having this evening take place.


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dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wq...yL3xg&index=23

Here are the Bucs getting a call in last year's playoffs

How is this not a penalty? He gets beat and hooks the receiver.

Clyde Frog 01-02-2022 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu (Post 16049840)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wq...yL3xg&index=23

Here are the Bucs getting a call in last year's playoffs

How is this not a penalty? He gets beat and hooks the receiver.

This is par for the course for pedo tom teams. Nothing different than has been happening for the past 2 decades.


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straycash 01-02-2022 11:48 PM
Games are not determined on the field

BlackOp 01-02-2022 11:50 PM
Can the mods take out the troll trash...KnoShow is drunk and angry.

Patty Moans 01-02-2022 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eDave (Post 16049402)
That's what fetal alcohol syndrom looks like.
Grow up. Seriously. Quit being a whiney puss.

dolphinsneu 01-02-2022 11:58 PM
I just got more angry.

My team SHOULD be the seventh seed right now.

Do you remember that Hail Mary PI that was not called in KC SD?

If that was called and KC wins, Miami is 9-7, and SD and LV are 8-8

BlackOp 01-02-2022 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty Moans (Post 16049846)
Grow up. Seriously. Quit being a whiney puss.
Dude signs up to be a troll...then tells someone to grow up.

Not very bright are you...

crazycoffey 01-02-2022 11:59 PM
I’ve only read the first page of this thread……

Happy to see I’m not the only one…….


Refs blew up this game. But I also won’t be surprised when national media suck on the begal’s cock with their review of beating the chiefs…..

No more losses this season! Better to lose now than in a few weeks.

dolphinsneu 01-03-2022 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty Moans (Post 16049837)
We're lucky they didn't call pass interference on every play. There was holding by our corners that went uncalled. The refs didn't win that game we lost it and all the whining in the world won't change that. During the eight game winning streak we got away with a ton of penalties that weren't called. Pay respect to the winning team and play better.
Technically, you could say it was holding, but the Bucs did far worse throughout the playoffs.


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