They need corners too.

I just don't think they'll go WR early. Maybe 3rd. The way the board could potentially fall, you could plug a couple DE/DT holes and a CB with those 4 picks and be set pretty well.

Unless they really like a guy and he falls I guess, I just think that 3rd round is a sweet spot for a developmental WR>

Lol they have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

They aren’t waiting until the 3rd to take a WR dude.

I think they'll see how it falls, but they may. The defense has so many holes, I know we're supposed to be anti "draft for need" but this draft just lines up to well to hit those needs early with good players I don't see how they don't.

WR is a need.

They have no WRs under contract after this year.

They aren’t waiting until the 3rd round to address it.

They value WR more than any position aside from QB and DE.

Nah, I dont' think they do that much.

They may take one if someone they think highly of falls, but I don't think they end up doing it early.

Draft just lines up too well on teh defensive side.

LMAO

You are absolutely clueless if you “don’t think they do”.

Do you pay any attention to this team? They clearly do not value CB for example. They absolutely value WR though.

They have said over and over that they will always make sure Pat has weapons, and their first big move was to sign Sammy Watkins. Possibly losing Tyreek made them instantly draft a potential replacement with their first pick that year.

This class is stacked at WR. How does this draft not also line up with their need there?

I’d probably add LT to positions that they value more than WR, but that’s absolutely it.

Pickens

Figured.

Lazy take dude.

There’s really no comparison aside from playing for Georgia.

Pickens has flashed legit WR1 upside. Chris Conley was a complete projection based on measurables.

Where have we heard this before?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...61&postcount=6

At 50? Sure. In the first rd? No way

It’s not my preference in the 1st, but he’s also not making it to 50.

Ideally, yes, I’d take him at 50.

But I’d rather have him than Watson or Dotson in the 1st.

And again, he’s legitimately flashed WR1 upside. He’s not really comparable to a guy like Conley who was a mid rounder until the combine.

We’re talking about a guy that was once seen as a potential top 15-20 pick here.

What exactly in the time Veach has been GM here would indicate to you that he's going to take a CB early?

Was it playing multiple seasons with UDFA's, late round picks, and bargain FA's? Was it the fact that Sneed in the 4th is the highest pick we've spent there since before he Veach was GM?

Was it letting Ward walk rather than pay him?

The Chiefs don't value corner much anymore, they've shown it over and over. I think they're probably right with the rules being the way they are.

No ****in' way they're taking a corner early when there are DE's and WR's with big upside still on the board.

Now they might take Dax Hill, who's a Safety, but also a slot corner, and kind of a Sneed type guy. That's different, but you'd have to take him in the first, and if they do that, I won't cry about it.

I think it’s possible that they take a guy like Elam or Booth in the 1st, or Woolen at 50, but that’s because those guys are likely to go earlier than that.

If they fall, then there’s value there, but that also wouldn’t keep them from drafting a WR somewhere in the first 2 rounds anyways.

Veach has made it very clear through his actions and words that they don’t value the position enough to reach for a guy.

And for all the talk about the talent in this draft aligning with our needs, this CB class is nowhere near as good as EDGE and WR.

Also, the fact that they’ve been connected to guys like Gilmore and Bradberry tells you everything you need to know about how they prefer to handle it.

They’re probably looking at those guys because they prefer to take a raw guy with upside (Zyon McCollum or Alontae Taylor for example) late on day 2 or early day 3.

If these 3 are available and we only have one pick, who you got?

1. George Karlaftis

2. Trey Burks

2. George Pickens

Deal.

EDIT: lol read that wrong, I thought you meant if we had 2 picks and these three are available.

Devonte Wyatt

Id go Burks! I think he would have more of an impact on the team.

You could get a guy very similar to Karlaftis later, might get Pickens later too.

My problem with Pickens is 2 straight years with injuries including his ACL. A HoF NFL coach once said (paraphrasing) if a player misses games in college due to injury he will miss games in the NFL due to injury.

Thoughts on Demarvin Leal?

Looks like an absolute game wrecker. Just wish they didn't move him around so much so we could get a better look at him as a pure DT.

6'4, 285 and MAN he carries that well. I don't care about the combine numbers for the role he plays.

I really like him in the 2nd. I think, if you're looking for a discount replacement for Chris Jones at the 3-tech in the near future, he's a guy to strongly consider. I like Zach Carter as a similar player in the 3rd round.

Bump (officially added Pickens to the list)

I guess I’ll just put this here.

I like all of that!

I'm really hoping those guys do fall. I don't like the potential idea of moving so far up for them but it seems that's where they were being valued by most outlets (hell I've seen alot of Johnson at 9 lately!).

While I think they do come off the board by 23/24, I'd love it much more if it only took a much more modest move than going up to a spot like 13 to get one. If Johnson goes near 10 then it feels like Karlaftis goes in the teens. If Johnson falls some then that pushes Karlaftis down.

Maybe there are some AJ Epenesa vibes in the NFL regarding these cats too?

I don't know. As an Iowa fan, I watch a ton of B1G football. Karlaftis is a better prospect than Epenesa and the difference is somewhat noticeable, IMO.

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

I mean, Karlaftis falling a bit is helpful. I'm all about that.

We need as many of those QBs to go as possible.

That's the big thing for me about Karlaftis. He was really good for more than just one year in the B1G.

I’ll need to find out but I read recently that teams absolutely love Pitre. He tested well and has a good frame and was very versatile at Baylor.

He apparently knocked his interviews out of the park and some people think he’s a first rd prospect. I think he’s an early 2nd rd player but man I would love him or Dax Hill in KC. They would be so awesome here

I would not be surprised if they go safety high and pair him with Reid.

Thornhill will see time too but our coaches never really liked him.

LOL, it didn't help that the staff over played Juan his Rookie year

****ing what? Over played him? He was doing just fine until he tore his ACL.

Wow.

That’s…me.

The whole damn thing really. Crazy.

Hey, me too!

No, really. I have a lot of the same thoughts exactly on those guys, Watson included. :)

if I were a 3-4 team, I'd love Ebiketie. As a DE...I don't know. I guess he's a much more explosive Danna. That can play, but isn't really Spags' preferred size.

The more I look at Johnson the less I'm really into it. I was thinking I see a contributor but not really a dominant alpha Edge. I think his ceiling in the NFL is Clowney; which, much like Clowney will be a disappointment if you take him top ten but is perfectly fine if you take him at like #30.

You know what I mean?

I like Ebikitie too, but where would you be happy to take him?

A non-contact tear, Thornhill was playing injured

But Is karlaftis a fit? I loved his interview and the chiefs are due to get a character guy but his size and length don’t fit the mold of what we normally seek.

I just don’t see the necessity of drafting a DE round 1 with this group of DE’s possibly available at 50 and later. Is karlaftis or Johnson have more upside than say Sam Williams?

7. D. Ojabo
8. A. Ebiketie
9. D. Jackson
10. S. Williams
11. L. Hall
12. C. Thomas
13. K. Enagbare
14. A. Barno
15. M. Sanders

29/30.

Karlaftis is a guy I don't think you have to go up as high to get and save on some draft capital, which would be the reason I'd consider going up for him instead of Johnson. Is he a fit? I'd say yes. I haven't seen any real indication that length is of dire importance to Veach. Not that he has too many examples, but he did draft Danna and brought in Malik Herring. I'd have to think he'd prefer it but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. I think the length is relative at the position anyhow because it's a lot more about how they use their hands, present their body to the tackle, move their feet, etc. Hutchinson is taller than Karlaftis but has shorter arms, for example. I really don't think it's that important. Look at Bud Dupree, the same size as Karlaftis. He's pretty good.

Does Sam Williams have more upside? I don't know about that. Athletically, absolutely. That said, Johnson has some pretty good athleticism. But he's also nowhere near Karlaftis or Johnson technically or from a "motor" standpoint. I think about guys that are really good and they just keep coming every single down, win or lose. I don't think you're getting that from Williams but I do think you're getting it from Karlaftis and Johnson. That's my hangup. I fell in love with the athletic talent early on but have come down quite a bit on Williams. I'd like him in the 3rd. It's hard to measure upside, it's alot more than athleticism. The guy needs the drive to be great.

In looking at your list I do not see Olave, Burks, Karlaftis, or Wyatt being available at 29 and 30.
But if they are I would go with Olave and Wyatt with the first two picks. I would then take Cameron Thomas (11.5 sacks) at 50 and Sam Williams (12.5 sacks) at 62. The Chiefs got a mere 31 sacks last year. That has to change.

The PR hit for whatever takes Williams is going to be something for a week or so

It will only result in one or two days of the team saying "We fully investigated the incident and we feel comfortable with our decision to draft him."

Great point. I just think that there’s enough talent in that group that we don’t need to reach for a DE in the first. I don’t like Mafe or karlaftis that much more than a few others in the DE group that should be available later.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Karlaftis alot more than the others in the DE group. I'd definitely move up for him, just not as far as I'd move up for Johnson but it's not that far apart for me.

Connecticut DL Travis Jones was recently dubbed the "most versatile" defensive tackle in the 2022 NFL Draft.
Jones (6'4/336) made the most of offseason showcases like the Senior Bowl and it's safe to say he's reaping the benefits of it. He followed the Senior Bowl with an equally impressive 2022 NFL Scouting Combine performance, recording a 4.92 40-yard dash and a 28.5-inch vertical. His agility was also very much on display as he tied the top three-cone performance with a 7.33 time. According to Mike Renner of Pro Football Focus, Jones is the "most versatile" player among defensive tackles available for the taking in April.

I can’t think of a better comparison than Hali, Justin Smith or Kerrigan for Karlaftis. I also think he can play game 1, which has value.

He gets after QBs as well as almost anyone.

I love his ability and hopefully he lasts till 50, but that’s highly unlikely.

My final list is up.

Barring a trade up or down, I’m pretty confident that we pick 2 of these players.

I like Andrew Booth but I think I’d prefer Kyler Gordon. I just really like the way he plays. He was an excellent man corner at Washington

oh no you're thinking like me. You better be worried about that

If we stay at our current spots I’m saying we draft Boye Mafe and Andrew Booth Jr



Note: There’s a guy in the draft named Smoke Monday lol

Thats a damn good first round!

Theres a Smoke AND a Snoop!

So we got 1 guy on the list, and another that I took off because I thought we no longer had a shot at him.

From February:

I very much should have stuck to my love affair for Karlaftis.