Mike Rose. I think he makes it. Good backup who played in the slot as a LB in college.

Also should be a favorite for ST’s

Some guys I still think make sense:

NT Eddie Goldman (CHI)
He had some down seasons in 2019 and 2021 and opted out in 2020 under Nagy's regime but he was a stud in 2017 and 2018. He may be a nice reclamation at this stage that should come cheap. The question is more about his mental makeup and the fit there than anything else, IMO.

DT Larry Ogunjobi (CIN)
Was the number one guy on my list and remains so but he had foot surgery at the end of last year and didn't pass a physical for Chicago or he'd be a Bear. He just got done visiting the Jets for two days. I'd kick the tires and see if the issue is still present for him, and sign him immediately if not. He can play either position at DT and can affect the QB.

DT Sheldon Richardson (MIN)
Richardson was a beast most of his career but took on more of a rotational role last year with the Vikings in his second stint. On a 1-year deal as a piece behind Chris Jones, I think he'd be a nice fit. That said, Stallworth is a sleeper pickup that put alot of hits on the QB last year in limited action so I'm not sure there's much room for a guy that can't slide to NT.

NT Danny Shelton (NYG)
Shelton is a mammoth that's hard to move but he offers zero upside getting to the QB. He'd be a quality rotational nose but I'd like just a little bit more. If he's a Mike Pennel type of cheap addition there, no problem. And speaking of Pennel...

NT Mike Pennel (ATL)
Pennel is a FA again and just turned 31. He'd still be nice in rotation with Nnadi at NT. We know what he brings to the table, which is just a tough object to move in the run game. I wouldn't mind him back.

DT Akiem Hicks (CHI)
Hicks has shown he can still be a quality player but he's had issues staying healthy in 2 of the past 3 seasons, so there's quite a bit of concern there. He can certainly get to the QB and has the size to be a moving piece at either position. I like him on a one-year deal but it'd have to be fairly cheap to hedge the injury concern.

DE Trey Flowers (DET)
After back-to-back injury-riddled seasons in Detroit where he only played in 7 games each, you have to wonder if he's even worth the time at this point. That said, if he can stay healthy he is a quality strong-side end that can get you 7 sacks and 20 QB hits while shutting down the run. If he's willing to come in on a 1-year minimal prove-it deal then I'm on board. A rotation with Karlaftis could be quite productive.

DE Ifeadi Odenigbo (CLE)
I'm not sure what happened in Cleveland last year but Ifeadi didn't have a good season and only played in 9 games with no starts and bounced around between the PS and 53. He had a quality year in 2019 as a rotational end for Minnesota with 7 sacks and 13 QB hits, then started 15 games for them in 2020 with 3.5 sacks and 15 QB hits. He could be an okay rotational guy. I think he's worth more of a chance than bringing a guy back like Okafor, who just doesn't do anything to affect the game.

DE Dawuane Smoot (JAX) - Trade
This is a guy that might be had for a late day 3 pick given Jacksonville drafted Walker and already have Allen, plus Smoot is in the final year of his contract. Smoot isn't a superstar but he's had 6 sacks in each of the past 3 years and 16 and 17 QB hits in the past two seasons. He seems to be a late bloomer that's finally a productive player. He'd be nice in rotation with Clark and Karlaftis.

DE Jadeveon Clowney (CLE)
Clowney probably makes the most sense at DE but he's a yoyo in terms of affecting the QB. That said, he's solid in all facets. If you can get the 9 sack/21 QB hit production he is capable of, you have a solid win.

CB James Bradberry (NYG)
Bradberry can still play at a very high level. I don't know if the Chiefs will have a shot but if they do he'd be a nice get and would be an impact #1 CB right away.

CB Nik Needham or CB Noah Igbinoghene (MIA) - Trade
Perhaps the Dolphins would move their starting NB in Needham, who also projects well outside at 6'1" 196 given they still have 2020 1st rounder Noah Igbinoghene on the bench, or maybe they'd move Igbinaghene for super cheap?

WR Chester Rodgers (TEN)
I don't think the Chiefs would be looking for potential impact starters at this point, so I think a guy like Odell is off the table. That said, they should be looking for better special teams and guys that can still contribute. Rodgers is a good punt and kick returner and a solid rotational WR as a 4th-6th type of guy.

kccrow,

Good list of players.

I really liked Mike Pennel the first year he was with the Chiefs. In his 2nd year he really dropped off. He may have been playing injured. I think Chiefs played him the same, but he seemed drained of energy.

My first choice for a free agent DT would be Larry Ogunjobi dependent upon his foot and how much he will cost.

Maybe any trade for Miami CBs would involve trading back their 2023 draft picks.

The fact that we have not heard a lot about the market for James Bradberry is interesting. I figured some NFL team would have signed him by now. That may mean his price tag is pretty high.

I was interested in seeing DE Jerry Hughes new contract with the Texans. Since Chiefs have a UFA tag of $4.4 M for DE Melvin Ingram but he is still free to sign elsewhere. It was initially reported that Hughes was getting 2 years, $10 M. If you actually look at the contract though, it is a little more than what Ingram's contract would be with KC.

Jerry Hughes with Texans
2022 $2,000,000 Base, $1,250,000 Bonus, $500K per game bonus, $3,750,000 cap
2023 $4,000,000 Base, $1,250,000 Bonus, $1 M per game bonus, $6,250,000 cap
If cut 2023 team saves $5 M with $1,250,000 of dead money.

Why does the roster stand?

Why doesn't the roster sit, recline, stretch out, or curl up for a nap?

Bear with me on this definition.

A rooster is a male domestic chicken.

A roster is a list of personnel.

Do not confuse roster with rooster.

A stand can be many things –
1. It can be maintaining an upright position supported by one’s feet.
2. It can be a building or settlement situated in a particular place or position.
3. It can be in a specified state or condition.
4. An attitude toward a particular issue.
5. A piece of furniture or an item to hold something.
6. The place where someone typically stands or sits.

You don’t want to make a rooster stand. He may become mean and chase you.

A roster however is ok to make a stand with. (But not a plant stand)

You would have to ask Phoneix to be sure, but I believe the statement is –

With a list of Kansas City Chiefs personnel, this is the specified state or condition.

Hopefully I’ve been a great help to you and you will be able to sleep tonight.

Carry on.

I love the idea of Clowney on this defense. He and Karlaftis would be a damn good set of starting DEs. Those edges would be sealed and opposing passers would be forced to play with an accelerated clock.

#1 X WR. They don't have one. I'd roll the dice with OBJ or Julio Jones. I don't think either would break the bank at this point but it fills a huge need.

#2 Vet CB. Bradberry. He's a FA that likely won't break the bank. Sign him on a 1 year (2 year for cap purposes) so he can hit FA next year when there is money out there. This would give the Chiefs 2 #1 CBs and one of the top ones in the draft.

#3 Vet DE Ingram. It makes too much sense.

so how many roosters on the roster?

Thank you Mr. Wilson8, profusely. Your reasoning and divination seem sound.

I am looking forward to seeing the roster doing other things in the future. Things like running, catching, eluding, and scoring. Of course, some of the time the roster could do some blitzing, crushing, pummeling, and things of that nature.

Again, much thanks.

Nice list, although can't say I'm that familiar with all of them. Surely Ingram as well, or is that somewhat of a given? The only two I'd be confident improve us are probably Hicks and Clowney, but I guess Hicks needs to stay healthy. I'd be willing to gamble as he's a definite upgrade at DT even if he's on the downslide

Clowney would be my first add along with Ingram. I think that would set the defense up pretty well and you wouldln't really have a glaring weakness.

Then just add around the margins.

Post PS Game 2 53 man roster guesses. The Coleman/Fountain question seems to have my brain perplexed. I think they carry 3 QB's this year and next year we see Henne walk off into the sunset.

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

ST
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS

:)

I think you mostly have it right.

I’d go Coleman over Fountain. I also think we keep 2 QBs and either Stallworth or Shelton on the DL.

Henne and try and sneak Buechele back on the PS or send Henne off to retirement?

I could make a case for either. I’ll defer to the staff on that one.

I’d probably try to sneak Buechele back on the PS. I trust Henne more to win a game for us if needed.

Ya im not sure I trust Buechele to be the guy just yet

I love how our defense looks. Not a lot of stars (for now), but there isn’t a player listed who I hate. I don’t see a single Niemann, Sorensen, Fleming, Scandrick, etc listed.

Love the upside of the 6 corners. The safety room has some bad asses. The linebackers are the best that we’ve seen in a long damn time.

The DL feels much better than it did a couple weeks ago. Dunlap signing is big. Karlaftis is that dude. Saunders has been great. Wharton and Nnadi look active. Jones is inside and dominant. Clark looks faster.

And 4 TEs. Have we ever carried 4 before?

Didn't we start with 4 last year?

Yeah, we aren't keeping 3 QBs.

Yup, and pretty sure we'll be doing it this year unless Bell is injured.

I don't think there's any chance we have 3 QBs and think it's like 80% Henne.

I think Lammons over Bootle more likely than not but unclear.

I have no clue on Coleman vs Fountain.

Ultimately I'm thinking Toub probably makes the decisions for these last roster spots and who knows where he stands.

It feels like a much deeper roster than we've had in years past but it could also be because we just knew how much someone like Neimann was a complete and total liability. Regardless, we got younger, faster, hungrier, and cheaper and there's real value in that.

Haven’t read this whole thread , but the running back group worries me more than the DL and that group was the biggest concern to me when camp started .

Isn’t Reiter gone?

I'm also thinking Lammons over Bootle. Lammons had a nice game yesterday.

They released him in May but signed him like 3 days later.

This Buechele thing has me intrigued. Do we think that he's getting playing time to ...

...consider whether he should be elevated to the #2 position?

or

...showcase him for a trade?

or

...give him developmental playing time because Henne doesn't need game experience?

or

...Buechele won a lunch bet and gets to play?

or

...something else?


I kind of half-wonder if Buechele could be our #2 QB to start the season.

I think it's because they wanted to give game 2 to him and game 3 to Henne so each player could have a fuller body of work given that it's a Sunday/Thursday game split. But we'll see how Thursday night goes.

Regardless I think the amount of words spilled on this discussion is a major waste of time. If Mahomes goes down, we're totally doomed. Moore and Henne have only really been competent as backups because of Tyreek Hill. That's just the reality. A full set of decent WRs won't make those guys passable QBs that get us near the postseason.

If not 3 QBs who would you keep on the roster instead? Gore?

I agree. Bootle has gotten torched several times already.

They fully guaranteed Hennes deal. He’s not going anywhere.

I think they are trying to showcase him for a player for player trade, TBH.

I think it's more likely Shelton or Stallworth has a spot on the roster at DT than a 3rd QB?

QBs
- Mahomes
- Henne
RBs
- CEH
- McKinnon
- Pacheco
- Gore
- Burton (FB)
WRs
- JuJu
- MVS
- Mecole
- Skyy
- Watson
- Coleman/ Fountain (leaning Coleman for punt return purposes)
TEs
- Kelce
- Fortson
- Gray
- Bell
OL
- Brown
- Thuney
- Humphrey
- Smith
- Wylie
- Allegretti
- Reiter
- Christian
- Johnson
DE
- Clark
- Dunlap
- Karlaftis
- Danna
DT
- Jones
- Nnadi
- Wharton
- Shelton
- Saunders
LBs
- Gay
- Bolton
- Lee
- Chenal
- Cochrane
S
- Reid
- Thornhill
- Cook
- Bush
CBs
- Sneed
- Fenton
- McDuffie
- Williams
- Watson
- Lammons
ST
- Butker
- Townsend
- Winchester

Chris Lammons legal situation in Las Vegas will affect what the Chiefs do with him.

Lammons hearing is now scheduled for Sept 29th.

Chiefs will have to decide his roster fate before that time. We shall see how this goes.

Dunno my guy. But I doubt Buechele makes it thru waivers. If the Chiefs have any thought that he is the future backs up for Mahomes they than prolly have to carry him on the 53.

If they really thought it was a concern I’m not sure he would still be on the roster.

If they have any thought he's the future backup, he's our backup and Henne is gone.

DL is a much higher priority given that all of those guys are going to get some rotational playing time.

Fair point and maybe that’s why he has been getting so many snaps instead of Henne. seeing if he can be serviceable.

Yeah, that's the question in my mind. But it's also possible that Andy knows that Henne doesn't need the work and he's trying to help Buechele.

However, it seems to me that Buechele is playing well enough for consideration as the #2. My only worry is whether his arm is too weak for the starters on NFL defenses. A weaker arm can survive against the #2 and #3 defenses, but can he get it done against starters?

And obviously we all hope that we never have to find out.

QB
- Mahomes
- Henne

RB
- CEH
- McKinnon
- Pacheco - KR
- Jones

FB
- Burton

WR
- Juju
- MVS
- Mecole - gets the occasional PR
- Skyy - PR/KR
- Watson
- Fountain

TE
- Kelce
- Bell
- Fortson
- Gray

OL
- OBJ
- Thuney
- Creed
- Smith
- Wylie
- Christian
- Allegretti
- Reiter
- Kinnard

DE
- Clark
- Karlaftis
- Danna
- Dunlap

DT
- Jones
- Nnadi
- Saunders
- Wharton
- Stallworth

LB
- Bolton
- Gay
- Lee
- Carter
- Chenal

S
- Reid
- Thornhill
- Cook
- Bush

CB
- Sneed
- Mcduffie
- Fenton
- Williams
- Bootle
- Watson

I'd probably put Lammons as the #6 CB but his pending legal issues may be a speedbump.

K - Butker
P - Tommy Townsend
LS - Winchester

I'm in agreement. Let's face it, if we really need QB2 for more than a couple games/mop-up duty, we're screwed. That old mantra about "Andy always" doesn't apply here. PMII is a vet now and Henne doesn't need to be yapping in his ear, that's what Nagy is for. I think we could probably trade Henne for a 6th or 7th, if not the $3.6M isn't something we can't afford.

Roster update for injuries

Gore has already been put on IR. He cannot be put on the PS.
Niang is already on the PUP. He is not on IR.
Anyone on IR cannot come back to the roster this season without an injury settlement and signing a new contract.

Good to know...wasn't quite as worried about updating PS/PUP/IR designations as the active roster (or at least my best guess as to how it will shake out)

This looks pretty accurate. Shelton maybe over Stallworth. Could go either way though.

The roster as it stands is still number one in the National Football League and my heart!!!

I’ll yip to that!

Evidently, we have reached an injury settlement and released Gore. We will see if he gets resigned to the PS.

Shelton still with us?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/12IG7fchVk8sqA/giphy.gif

I think he is still breathing.


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I'm wondering if they'll keep 6 WRs on the "final 53", we didn't last year. What I think will happen is they will keep either Bell or Bushman on the roster and as soon as it's final they'll place whichever on on IR/designated. Face it, there's not going to be teams lining up for either Coleman or Fountain so one of them surely will be available.

Again, Buechele isn't going to the PS. There is no sense in exposing him when Henne most likely won't be here next year. Either the kid can be trusted to step in or he can't, in which case we wasted time with him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henne get traded.

If another team cuts a QB that Veach covets, then I can see him waived or traded. You can bet if there is interest out there, Veach will trade him if the return is right. If no one is asking about him then I bet they try to PS him.

I want Veach to trade for as many faaat ****s like Shelton as he can. We need more beef. We also need to trade for Matt Araiza because he's my hero.

Bears, 49ers and Bucs shopping for OL. Wonder what Veach has up his sleeve?

:LOL:

I’d spin Allegretti if I could get something decent for him. I love the kid, but he’s a FA next year and we have guys who can play guard

I would like to keep Allegretti in that it decimates your depth if you move him, but it woudl depend on what you could get back.

I'm thinking you go into the season as is and see who sucks team wise. Chicago and Wash are gonna be bad I think and they have some guys you'd like to move.

I don't see us carrying as many DBs as people claim.

I see 3 QBs

Bootle will be cut, ST or practice squad.

In my mind its... who can play G/C better.... Reiter or Allegretti?

Another reason we won't cut Buechele: who would be our #2 since Henne is on his last legs

Has Buechelle shown the Chiefs enough progress and upside for the Chiefs to put him on the 53? If he has the young QB play over the weekend will guarantee that he'll be poached.

IMO, that safety and linebacker depth has frown to be phenomenal.

So are we expecting 9 players from the draft to make the roster? How often does that happen?

Every year this place, at this time, determines player x is a stud and there is just no way that the Chiefs will expose said player to waivers. This year it's Buechelle. When he is cut next week this place will erupt. Then when he clear waivers all will be well in the Kingdom.

We are not carrying 3 ****ing QBs. You just can't afford to do that. If Buechelle beats our Henne so be it, I don't care because if Pat's not at QB things will suck.

It might be the first time it's ever happened.

This

This team stinks.

The PFF depth chart has Chenal as the starting SAM and Dunlap starting at DE. They also have McKinnon listed as the starting HB.

Interesting question. I tried Googling it. I found that in 2020 that the Vikings had 15 picks, which is a record. But I haven't found anything saying the most to make the team. So I read up on that draft and found a story about their 38 draft picks in the 2019,2020, and 2021 drafts. The article says that they have 6 starters and 4 contributors from that draft, so I would assume that at least 10 made the team. Also, the article says that at the time it was written, 11 months ago, that 30 of the 38 players drafted were still with the team. That's an average of 10 picks per year making the team those 3 years. So no, I would say that 9 is not a record. But it's still incredible.

Is anyone interested in wide receiver Jerreth Sterns? I think this guy would be a great PS type.

It reeks of EXCELLENCE