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ghak99 06-14-2022 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 16333889)
The great white hope!

Looks like he'd pull your head off your body and shove it up your own ass.

It's "rip their heads off and shit down their neck", or at least thats what my dad and later our LB coaches always encouraged us to do. LMAO

Megatron96 06-15-2022 11:43 PM

Damn, this guy has some serious acceleration.

He's actually faster at the 10-split than Micah Parsons and still even with him at the 20. And no one ever accused Luke Kuechly of being slow, but this kid's flat-out faster than Kuechly ever was. If he's got real football brains and can stay healthy, he could be a real star for the Chiefs a year from now. Maybe even this year.

big nasty kcnut 06-16-2022 12:19 AM

Mdk leo all day everyday. Death row bitch.

Megatron96 06-16-2022 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 16335697)
Mdk leo all day everyday. Death row bitch.

I had to read that like 11 times before I figured out what that meant.ROFL

RunKC 07-23-2022 12:34 PM

Looks like Leo is getting in used to the heat in Missouri. Makes sense considering Madison, Wisconsin is way cooler this time of year with far less humidity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prince Tega Wanogho (leg) and Kehinde Oginni Hassan (awaiting a blood test) didn&#39;t practice for the Chiefs today, per Coach Reid. Leo Chenal left practice early (heat).<br><br>Rashad Fenton (shoulder), Lucas Niang (knee) and Justyn Ross (foot) also didn&#39;t participate, as expected.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1550874813996175360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 07-23-2022 02:37 PM

"awaiting blood test"??

WTF

In58men 07-23-2022 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16378933)
"awaiting blood test"??

WTF

A blood test to check blood sodium or potassium.

Precautionary

T-post Tom 07-23-2022 03:02 PM

Great pick. LB group should be stacked for the next few years. :) Can't wait to see this 2022 defense. Woot!

Titty Meat 07-23-2022 03:09 PM

Surprised it hasn't happened to more guys with as hot out as it is

BryanBusby 07-23-2022 04:05 PM

****, I'm sweating out from just sitting in a chair. This heat blows.

KCUnited 07-23-2022 04:11 PM

My dude showing up hungover already

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-23-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16378933)
"awaiting blood test"??

WTF

Hope it doesn't come back positive for heroin

Anything else will be fine

Toad 07-23-2022 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16378814)
Looks like Leo is getting in used to the heat in Missouri. Makes sense considering Madison, Wisconsin is way cooler this time of year with far less humidity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prince Tega Wanogho (leg) and Kehinde Oginni Hassan (awaiting a blood test) didn&#39;t practice for the Chiefs today, per Coach Reid. Leo Chenal left practice early (heat).<br><br>Rashad Fenton (shoulder), Lucas Niang (knee) and Justyn Ross (foot) also didn&#39;t participate, as expected.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1550874813996175360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah. The other side of the coin is he’ll be calling everyone pussies in the freeze come playoff time at Arrowhead.

Dunerdr 07-23-2022 05:04 PM

What a bitch. I mowed my lawn today and didn’t even need an iv.

Hammock Parties 08-21-2022 01:52 PM

POW!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leo Chenal is so certified <a href="https://t.co/EjvOiZPV4z">pic.twitter.com/EjvOiZPV4z</a></p>&mdash; Theo Ash (@TheoAshNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1561119483682426880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

smithandrew051 08-21-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16422228)
POW!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leo Chenal is so certified <a href="https://t.co/EjvOiZPV4z">pic.twitter.com/EjvOiZPV4z</a></p>&mdash; Theo Ash (@TheoAshNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1561119483682426880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hit that dude like drywall after Rock Fest

mlyonsd 08-21-2022 01:57 PM

There was a play in the 2nd half where the D blitzed and it was picked up. Chenal chased the receiver like 40 yards to make the play.

KCUnited 08-21-2022 01:57 PM

Reminds me Urlacher on Rogaine

Hammock Parties 08-21-2022 02:14 PM

i want him in on every short yardage play

kill a mufugga

Iconic 08-21-2022 02:18 PM

he got like 20 snaps all game but it felt like he was everywhere in the 2nd half

dudes a demon

Dante84 11-15-2022 01:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Leo Chenal snap from week 10! <a href="https://t.co/skeo0bK7m4">pic.twitter.com/skeo0bK7m4</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1592517787766775808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Easy 6 11-15-2022 02:02 PM

He has really been flashing lately, LOVE the way he takes on blocks

Megatron96 11-15-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16606079)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Leo Chenal snap from week 10! <a href="https://t.co/skeo0bK7m4">pic.twitter.com/skeo0bK7m4</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1592517787766775808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just watched it through; didn't rewind at all. Obviously he's good vs. the run. recognizes the ball carrier and intercepts him pretty well.

he looks a little better in coverage than he did at the beginning of the season, but at least once he kind of, well he looked confused as to where he needed to be. Didn't affect the play at all, fortunately.

On the screen play to the top of the screen, I'd like to see him shed that block quicker/earlier, but I like how he took on the block early, forcing the receiver to have to make his own yards a couple yards sooner.

Still have high hopes for this kid.

Pitt Gorilla 11-15-2022 02:10 PM

He's looked so much better. Excited to see him continue to grow.

JohnnyHammersticks 11-15-2022 02:23 PM

Thought this dude would be a good fit for us as soon as I studied him a bit. Had us trading out of the 1st round last draft and getting more picks in the 40-100 range because there were so many good values in that area.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16240921)
41. Tariq Woolen CB, UTSA
43. DeMarvin Leal IDL, Texas A&M
46. Logan Hall EDGE, Houston
49. George Pickens WR, Georgia
62. Nick Cross S, Maryland
72. Troy Andersen LB, Montana State
82. Trey McBride TE, Colorado State
94. Leo Chenal LB, Wisconsin
158. ZaQuandre White RB, South Carolina
170. Dare Rosenthal OT, Kentucky
183. Romeo Doubs WR, Nevada
231. Amaré Barno EDGE, Virginia Tech


ghak99 11-15-2022 07:19 PM

He's still learning. Hopefully, the coverage game will slow down a little more for him because when he "gets it" before the snap he looks really good on those plays. He's got some good guys around him and they look to be working as a unit, so the rest will come.

TambaBerry 11-15-2022 07:29 PM

Looks like when he just plays he does well. When he thinks too much he gets lost. Looks like a rookie

JohnnyHammersticks 11-15-2022 07:42 PM

Even when keying on Chenal while watching that it was impossible not to notice what a complete turd Nnadi has turned into. I really like the season Saunders is having, but sometimes it's not clear whether Saunders is really good, or whether he's a little above average but looks like he's really good in relation to Nnadi. What on earth happened to that guy?

Here's my updated Nnadi scouting report: Low talent, lower motor. Unathletic, but doesn't make up for it with effort. Very easy to push around, has little-to-no positive impact on a game.

Dante84 02-13-2023 11:46 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs rookie Leo Chenal in Super Bowl 57:<br><br>�� 1 Sack<br>�� 4 Defensive Stops<br>�� 82.9 Run Defense Grade <a href="https://t.co/IGSj2EFOGF">pic.twitter.com/IGSj2EFOGF</a></p>&mdash; PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1625187294486626304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tyecopeland 02-14-2023 01:24 PM

This dude played 18 defensive snaps and had 6 tackles.

JPH83 02-14-2023 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16807202)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs rookie Leo Chenal in Super Bowl 57:<br><br>�� 1 Sack<br>�� 4 Defensive Stops<br>�� 82.9 Run Defense Grade <a href="https://t.co/IGSj2EFOGF">pic.twitter.com/IGSj2EFOGF</a></p>&mdash; PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1625187294486626304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His full grade was something like 86.6. Thought he was absolutely murderous against the run. He's gonna be a fun player

smithandrew051 02-14-2023 01:54 PM

Such a great pick. In many previous drafts, we’d call him our best value pick.

Just shows how much Veach killed this one.

DJ's left nut 02-14-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16810015)
His full grade was something like 86.6. Thought he was absolutely murderous against the run. He's gonna be a fun player

He's Pacheco on defense.

Still raw and doesn't always make the right decision but he plays at 100 mph with unrivaled ferocity.

JPH83 02-14-2023 02:04 PM

If they mix him into the pass rush a little more next year, and I think they might, it's gonna be even more fun.

smithandrew051 02-14-2023 02:07 PM

When was the last time we went into an offseason and didn’t see LB as a need?

Sure, if someone falls, we can add depth. But damn. This trio is exciting.

JPH83 02-14-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16810060)
When was the last time we went into an offseason and didn’t see LB as a need?

Sure, if someone falls, we can add depth. But damn. This trio is exciting.

If there's an undersized coverage first/average tackler type guy in the later rounds I wouldn't hate us taking a shot but I suspect there won't be much left. But yeah it's nice to think, hopefully we have that group

budman3 02-14-2023 02:17 PM

I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

oldman 02-14-2023 02:27 PM

He just needs to work on his coverage skills. I did see several hits this year that stood out. He'll be fine.

staylor26 02-14-2023 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

:facepalm:

Megatron96 02-14-2023 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

Lolz, what are you babbling about? That's about the worst take about Spags imaginable. You might as well put your clown shoes on and declare Bob Sutton as a defensive genius for his originality.

staylor26 02-14-2023 02:38 PM

That entire ****ing take is reeruned.

TwistedChief 02-14-2023 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

TL;DR summary: I don’t understand a thing about football.

Fish 02-14-2023 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

The word you're looking for is "Vaunted." The rest of your post was shit too.

smithandrew051 02-14-2023 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

You have made 47 posts too many. Stop while you’re only 47 behind.

rydogg58 02-14-2023 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budman3 (Post 16810096)
I'm not convinced about him yet, even as a rookie. He was no where to be found at all during the season, and if you were impressed with the Super Bowl performance, it must be pointed out that for some reason the vaulted Eagles offense did not attack the Chiefs weaknesses as much as they probably should have for some reason.

And I'm glad they did. BTW...there is a reason that Spagnoula never gets mentioned to be leaving for a head coaching job. He's an average coach with little originality or confusing scheming, IMO. With the Chiefs offense as good as it is, bringing the defense's level of play into being a top ten unit, will make winning so much easier than it has been the last couple of seasons. I wouldn't be at all upset if they made a change, although winning the SP probably saved his job for at least another year.

What do vaulted ceilings have to do with football? And what multiverse are you from where anyone thought Spags was in any danger of losing his job? Nobody but you thinks that.

SAGA45 02-14-2023 02:58 PM

I thought Bolton broke Chenal's arm when they converged on one of the Eagles RB's on the boundary. Bolton brought the lumber on that hit!

Megatron96 02-14-2023 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 16810225)
I thought Bolton broke Chenal's arm when they converged on one of the Eagles RB's on the boundary. Bolton brought the lumber on that hit!

Probably left over from those vaulted ceilings.

SAGA45 02-17-2023 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 16810225)
I thought Bolton broke Chenal's arm when they converged on one of the Eagles RB's on the boundary. Bolton brought the lumber on that hit!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bolton at his very best <a href="https://t.co/mF5Z4PUmDl">pic.twitter.com/mF5Z4PUmDl</a></p>&mdash; Bryan Stewart (@BryanStewart_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanStewart_/status/1626358027778502656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wachashi 09-20-2023 07:21 AM

This dude shined against the Jaguars.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> do a double pass, but <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LB Leo Chenal sniffs it out and forces a loss of yards on the play.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/0nI31SOVFu">pic.twitter.com/0nI31SOVFu</a></p>&mdash; Devon Clements (@DevclemNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/DevclemNFL/status/1703472477584626001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wachashi 09-20-2023 07:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leo Chenal vs a TE, getting extension on the block, throwing the TE inside, then swimming outside to help tackle the running back. <a href="https://t.co/sUbZXczb9V">pic.twitter.com/sUbZXczb9V</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1703982777438183788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wachashi 09-20-2023 07:23 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per PFF, Leo Chenal had 8 snaps as a pass rusher Sunday, the most he’s ever had in a game<br><br>He tallied 4 pressures, all hurries, in those 8 snaps</p>&mdash; Ron Kopp Jr. (@Ron_Kopp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ron_Kopp/status/1704165673880998199?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 09-20-2023 07:29 AM

He's just physical as ****, as well as a good athlete. Good combination in a football player.

Wisconsin_Chief 09-20-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17120158)
This dude shined against the Jaguars.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> do a double pass, but <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LB Leo Chenal sniffs it out and forces a loss of yards on the play.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/0nI31SOVFu">pic.twitter.com/0nI31SOVFu</a></p>&mdash; Devon Clements (@DevclemNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/DevclemNFL/status/1703472477584626001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is a great play by Leo, but my favorite part is McDuffie coming in like a missile ready to take the receivers head off.

Man, I love this defense.

smithandrew051 09-20-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17120218)
This is a great play by Leo, but my favorite part is McDuffie coming in like a missile ready to take the receivers head off.

Man, I love this defense.

Wisconsin_Chief, what did your local media think of him in college? Were they pounding the table for him to be a Packer?

Side note, hope you had a good breakfast.

RunKC 09-20-2023 09:00 AM

Folks aren't gonna like this, but you don't need to pay a Nick Bolton if you're finding Chenal and Gay in the draft and bringing in Tranquill for cheap

smithandrew051 09-20-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17120241)
Folks aren't gonna like this, but you don't need to pay a Nick Bolton if you're finding Chenal and Gay in the draft and bringing in Tranquill for cheap

I think Gay is the one who we let walk unless he’s cheap.

It seems like there is always something going on with him. Either an injury or something off the field.

I see him as a luxury because he’s an incredible athlete, but not someone we can rely on.

O.city 09-20-2023 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17120241)
Folks aren't gonna like this, but you don't need to pay a Nick Bolton if you're finding Chenal and Gay in the draft and bringing in Tranquill for cheap

Off ball linebackers that struggle in coverage are tough for me to wanna pay to be honest.

Dante84 09-20-2023 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17120241)
Folks aren't gonna like this, but you don't need to pay a Nick Bolton if you're finding Chenal and Gay in the draft and bringing in Tranquill for cheap

I get that, but at the same Nick Bolton makes game-changing plays every week. I'm not comfortable walking away from him in favor of, say, Sneed or (to a lesser degree)Trey.

The Franchise 09-20-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17120268)
I get that, but at the same Nick Bolton makes game-changing plays every week. I'm not comfortable walking away from him in favor of, say, Sneed or (to a lesser degree)Trey.

I really think that Sneed, Gay and Smith are all gone. Bolton and Creed will come back.

smithandrew051 09-20-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17120270)
I really think that Sneed, Gay and Smith are all gone. Bolton and Creed will come back.

I agree with that.

Veach has shown the ability to find DBs every year. Sneed is great though he’s struggled this year. McDuffie is the DB we extend in a couple years.

Gay always has something going on. Not a good idea to pay him.

Smith is sorta inconsistent and not the best pass protector.

Those three are great when cheap. I’d be hesitant to pay any of them.

JPH83 09-20-2023 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17120268)
I get that, but at the same Nick Bolton makes game-changing plays every week. I'm not comfortable walking away from him in favor of, say, Sneed or (to a lesser degree)Trey.

We'll see how it looks mid-season. But right now I think Bolton has been a more consistent performer than Sneed. I know Sneed has been versatile but I'm not sure he has as big an impact as Bolton.

Bolton lets you get away with some @ss DT play alongside Jones and is massive for us against the run. When Sneed's on it, and locked in with his coverage, he makes us a lot better. But he has lapses and loses people too. I don't think he organises those around him as well, and McDuffie may well take the SCB part of his role away from him.

RunKC 09-20-2023 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17120270)
I really think that Sneed, Gay and Smith are all gone. Bolton and Creed will come back.

Yeah but I cannot in good faith be fine with paying Bolton as much as I think he's gonna ask for.

ghak99 09-20-2023 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17120299)
Yeah but I cannot in good faith be fine with paying Bolton as much as I think he's gonna ask for.

I don't even know the figure, but if it's not him, where are we getting a guy who keeps everyone lined up like he does while making up for some dog shit playing in front of him. He's become the General for that group as they've developed.

O.city 09-20-2023 09:58 AM

I'd rather pay the top 5 overall defensive player in the league than a really good off ball LB'er that's weakness is against the pass.

Wisconsin_Chief 09-20-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17120224)
Wisconsin_Chief, what did your local media think of him in college? Were they pounding the table for him to be a Packer?

Side note, hope you had a good breakfast.

Breakfast was fantastic, thank you for asking! 4 pasture raised eggs scrambled with some ground grass fed beef, topped with a little cheddar. Have it everyday, it's a true power breakfast!

Many fans were definitely pulling for Leo to be a Packer, but they're like that with every decent Badger that goes through. He was very highly regarded by local media in his Badger days, though. I did see him live in several games at Camp Randall, and he always stood out as such a physically dominant specimen. I didn't understand why we picked him at the time just because it didn't seem like a need, but now that they've developed this nifty little role for him I am loving the pick!

BossChief 09-20-2023 10:14 AM

We sure have come a long way since needing to try to feel excited for big $ signings like Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber.

RunKC 09-20-2023 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17120325)
I'd rather pay the top 5 overall defensive player in the league than a really good off ball LB'er that's weakness is against the pass.

He wants $30 million APY. Why don't your take a look at Patrick's new cap hits the next 4 years? Bc that's roughly 30% of the cap on only 2 players.

RealSNR 09-20-2023 10:42 AM

Nobody wants to pay their off ball LBs until you let him go and the defense gets sloppier

raybec 4 09-20-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17120270)
I really think that Sneed, Gay and Smith are all gone. Bolton and Creed will come back.

If they have to let 3 of them walk I hope that's how it works. O.city is correct in that coverage is not Bolton's strength but he is just nails when it comes to everything fundamental. He gets everyone lined up in the correct spot and he very rarely misses an assignment. I would try to keep him if they can afford it.

scho63 09-20-2023 11:35 AM

Bolton is a beast and I would NOT want him to walk.

DJ's left nut 09-20-2023 11:40 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bolton at his very best <a href="https://t.co/mF5Z4PUmDl">pic.twitter.com/mF5Z4PUmDl</a></p>&mdash; Bryan Stewart (@BryanStewart_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanStewart_/status/1626358027778502656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And that, my friends, is textbook 'flow and fill'.

I will forever maintain that there are few things easier than run defense. And that "Sutton's Complicated Scheme" was never the reason ours sucked.

We just had 'backers that didn't DO this shit well. They'd come downhill too early or overcommit to a gap and leave a cutback.

This is absolutely perfect LB play against a stretch run. That's how you diagram it.

DJ's left nut 09-20-2023 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17120270)
I really think that Sneed, Gay and Smith are all gone. Bolton and Creed will come back.

Bolton and Creed are flipsides of the same coins.

Smart technicians that seemingly always make the correct play and are instrumental in communication and coordination on their respective sides of the ball.

They're fan favorites and leaders in their own right. If/when Thuney eventually prices himself out of KC, Creed is going to be the leader of that OL for the next half-decade, IMO.

"I don't want to pay off-ball linebackers when we can draft X" -- well hell, wouldn't that apply to Creed? When was the last time we struggled at C? Reiter evidently sucks but he was awfully solid here. Before that was Morse and before that Hudson.

We never struggle to find a C but when you find a guy like Humphrey that you think can be a true leader of the group, I think you pay him and keep him if at all possible. And I think a similar logic applies to Bolton.

BWillie 09-20-2023 11:44 AM

I was wondering why Tranquil wasn't playing as much as expected but hard to take Leo of the field especially on running downs.

O.city 09-20-2023 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17120400)
He wants $30 million APY. Why don't your take a look at Patrick's new cap hits the next 4 years? Bc that's roughly 30% of the cap on only 2 players.

So you really think they set Pat's contract so that's teh way this will go? Have we learned nothing?

scho63 09-20-2023 11:45 AM

Creed had one hell of a tough time snapping the ball in Jacksonville. Sweaty hands and slippery ball?

O.city 09-20-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17120492)
Bolton and Creed are flipsides of the same coins.

Smart technicians that seemingly always make the correct play and are instrumental in communication and coordination on their respective sides of the ball.

They're fan favorites and leaders in their own right. If/when Thuney eventually prices himself out of KC, Creed is going to be the leader of that OL for the next half-decade, IMO.

"I don't want to pay off-ball linebackers when we can draft X" -- well hell, wouldn't that apply to Creed? When was the last time we struggled at C? Reiter evidently sucks but he was awfully solid here. Before that was Morse and before that Hudson.

We never struggle to find a C but when you find a guy like Humphrey that you think can be a true leader of the group, I think you pay him and keep him if at all possible. And I think a similar logic applies to Bolton.

When you can get a guy like Tranquill for 5 mil a year, why would I pay Bolton? Is the difference worth the amount it would cost?

And paying for leadership? This ain't Frank Clark we;re talking about.

AdolfOliverBush 09-20-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17120501)
When you can get a guy like Tranquill for 5 mil a year, why would I pay Bolton? Is the difference worth the amount it would cost?

Considering Bolton is at least the second-best defender in KC and Tranquill has done nothing of note since becoming a Chief, how is this even a question?

smithandrew051 09-20-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17120482)
And that, my friends, is textbook 'flow and fill'.

I will forever maintain that there are few things easier than run defense. And that "Sutton's Complicated Scheme" was never the reason ours sucked.

We just had 'backers that didn't DO this shit well. They'd come downhill too early or overcommit to a gap and leave a cutback.

This is absolutely perfect LB play against a stretch run. That's how you diagram it.

Billay has a VERY different definition of this

RunKC 09-20-2023 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17120494)
So you really think they set Pat's contract so that's teh way this will go? Have we learned nothing?

$57 million or more cap hits 3 years in a row after this one. You think Clark is gonna pull out his checkbook to pay that restructure after doing this?

History tells us that he won't and we'll still have 2 years of crazy high cap hits from Patrick at the absolute best.

That's why tagging and trading Chris is the best option.

smithandrew051 09-20-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17120329)
Breakfast was fantastic, thank you for asking! 4 pasture raised eggs scrambled with some ground grass fed beef, topped with a little cheddar. Have it everyday, it's a true power breakfast!

Many fans were definitely pulling for Leo to be a Packer, but they're like that with every decent Badger that goes through. He was very highly regarded by local media in his Badger days, though. I did see him live in several games at Camp Randall, and he always stood out as such a physically dominant specimen. I didn't understand why we picked him at the time just because it didn't seem like a need, but now that they've developed this nifty little role for him I am loving the pick!

Okay all of this is epic


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