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JPH83 01-28-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17942452)
It was more the pass. He played that SB (outside of the fumble) about as perfect as one could play it. I just don't see him having another game like that from a passing perspective.

Another reason the defense struggled some was because of how young it was. There were a lot of rookies playing that game on the defense.

This is kinda my hope and expectation. On the flip side I don't think they'll go a pass-first route anyway. I reckon they run it, and frankly that's going to be the toughest we've faced with that OL.

Think Duncan was saying he hopes Chenal and Hicks are used more, and I'd agree if this is the Eagles approach. Only other expectation is they try to isolate Bolton and Johnson in coverage.

DJ's left nut 01-28-2025 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17942347)
Hurts has a bum knee

Eh - he was moving just fine against Washington.

The knee is overstated. With 2 weeks rest, he'll be fine.

SHOWTIME 01-28-2025 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 17942520)
Have we ever lost a game with Burkhart in the booth I can think back to Alex Smith days i feel like he has been a lucky charm.

Mahomes is 6-1 on Fox

crispystl 01-28-2025 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17942015)
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siberian khatru 01-28-2025 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17942523)
Has New Orleans hosted a Super Bowl since that power outage debacle in January 2013?

No.

They hosted the SB 7 times from 1970-90, but only 3 times since (not counting this year).

DrunkBassGuitar 01-28-2025 02:40 PM

I suddenly remembered last year when the AFC was the home team so we got to practice at the stadium and the 49ers had to practice at a local university and people were like "see the NFL is favoring the Chiefs" lol

The Chiefs are practicing at Tulane's field

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-28-2025 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17942553)
I suddenly remembered last year when the AFC was the home team so we got to practice at the stadium and the 49ers had to practice at a local university and people were like "see the NFL is favoring the Chiefs" lol

The Chiefs are practicing at Tulane's field

Yeah the home team gets to use the stadium facilities for practice, away team typically picks a university nearby.

I think the uproar last year was all the rain made it hard for the Niners to practice, they whined that they should get to use the Stadium facilities since it's indoors. They were such mental midgets lol.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-28-2025 03:21 PM

Are we still scared of the Bengals? Just checking…

Rainbarrel 01-28-2025 03:23 PM

I wonder if there are Saints offices at the home teams practice field

siberian khatru 01-28-2025 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17942553)
I suddenly remembered last year when the AFC was the home team so we got to practice at the stadium and the 49ers had to practice at a local university and people were like "see the NFL is favoring the Chiefs" lol

The Chiefs are practicing at Tulane's field

Tulane's field has been good to them in the past.

Mecca 01-28-2025 03:25 PM

16 of the last 20 SB winners wore white.. ironically 3 that were darks in wins were Chiefs twice and Eagles once.

Gary Cooper 01-28-2025 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 17942553)
I suddenly remembered last year when the AFC was the home team so we got to practice at the stadium and the 49ers had to practice at a local university and people were like "see the NFL is favoring the Chiefs" lol

The Chiefs are practicing at Tulane's field

The "home team" part confuses me. The Chiefs wore their home uniforms in both 2019 and 2020 in the SB. They couldn't be home teams for both games in back to back years. It's supposed to alternate.

Mecca 01-28-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17942650)
The "home team" part confuses me. The Chiefs wore their home uniforms in both 2019 and 2020 in the SB. They couldn't be home teams for both games in back to back years. It's supposed to alternate.

Bucs chose to wear white.

Gary Cooper 01-28-2025 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17942658)
Bucs chose to wear white.

I see. So the home team chooses the uniforms?

Rainbarrel 01-28-2025 03:31 PM

I thought the Chiefs chose white one year. Kelce said it was a clean look

Mecca 01-28-2025 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17942662)
I see. So the home team chooses the uniforms?

Yes, like the Cowboys always wear white.

Mecca 01-28-2025 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17942665)
I thought the Chiefs chose white one year. Kelce said it was a clean look

They wore white against Philly cause we were the road team that year.

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-28-2025 03:36 PM

The "home" team gets to choose what uniform color to wear and what facilities they want to use.

DRM08 01-28-2025 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17942636)
Yeah the home team gets to use the stadium facilities for practice, away team typically picks a university nearby.

I think the uproar last year was all the rain made it hard for the Niners to practice, they whined that they should get to use the Stadium facilities since it's indoors. They were such mental midgets lol.

Forty Whiners. They've earned the nickname over the last 6 seasons.

SAGA45 01-28-2025 04:48 PM

Barkley exits the game in the 1st half.

DJ's left nut 01-28-2025 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 17942826)
Barkley exits the game in the 1st half.

They deprived him of one of the most hallowed records in the entire NFL when they sat him for the final game and didn't give him a shot at the single-season running record.

If someone rips his ****ing leg OFF in this game, he'll be out there hopping on one foot to try to pick up yards.

Barkley is going to be absolutely supercharged in this game. May not be enough, but he's gonna give us everything he has in the tank.

wazu 01-28-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17942840)
They deprived him of one of the most hallowed records in the entire NFL when they sat him for the final game and didn't give him a shot at the single-season running record.

If someone rips his ****ing leg OFF in this game, he'll be out there hopping on one foot to try to pick up yards.

Barkley is going to be absolutely supercharged in this game. May not be enough, but he's gonna give us everything he has in the tank.

Just like CMC last year.

RunKC 01-28-2025 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17942840)
They deprived him of one of the most hallowed records in the entire NFL when they sat him for the final game and didn't give him a shot at the single-season running record.

If someone rips his ****ing leg OFF in this game, he'll be out there hopping on one foot to try to pick up yards.

Barkley is going to be absolutely supercharged in this game. May not be enough, but he's gonna give us everything he has in the tank.

This is why I would come out on 1st and 2nd down in single high putting Leo and Hicks on the edges, McDuffie on Devonta and Watson on AJ Brown with a safety to help him.

I think Spags is gonna do anything he can to force the Eagles to pass. He’s going to force Hurts to use his arm. And it will be the smart move.

Make Hurts beat you with anyone but Saquon using Hurts arm

DJ's left nut 01-28-2025 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17942855)
This is why I would come out on 1st and 2nd down in single high putting Leo and Hicks on the edges, McDuffie on Devonta and Watson on AJ Brown with a safety to help him.

I think Spags is gonna do anything he can to force the Eagles to pass. He’s going to force Hurts to use his arm. And it will be the smart move.

Make Hurts beat you with anyone but Saquon using Hurts arm

Can you play single high and still neutralize Goedert?

With Watson back, I feel okay about matching up with the Eagles WRs (though Smith vs. McDuffie is a little spooky because Smith's deep speed is so good and that's one area where McDuffie isn't truly elite).

But it feels like single high man coverage is gonna leave us pretty exposed to Goedert. And we're not going to put Hicks out there over Cook. We probably should, but we won't. Unless you're talking about a heavy nickel package with Hicks out there as a 3rd safety, in which case you could use him on Goedert and Reid in run support. I might actually keep Cook in the Single High spot there given that he IS faster than Reid and single high responsibility is actually simple.

He seems to get lost mid-zone trying to play alongside another safety where he loses guys as they come across zones. In single high, maybe he'd be okay.

DJ's left nut 01-28-2025 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17942841)
Just like CMC last year.

We did a nice job of slowing that 49ers run game for sure. But CMC STILL managed 160 yards of total offense and a score.

And he left it on the field.

Barkley's gonna be a handful and he's gonna come at us all day.

RunKC 01-28-2025 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17942857)
Can you play single high and still neutralize Goedert?

With Watson back, I feel okay about matching up with the Eagles WRs (though Smith vs. McDuffie is a little spooky because Smith's deep speed is so good and that's one area where McDuffie isn't truly elite).

But it feels like single high man coverage is gonna leave us pretty exposed to Goedert. And we're not going to put Hicks out there over Cook. We probably should, but we won't. Unless you're talking about a heavy nickel package with Hicks out there as a 3rd safety, in which case you could use him on Goedert and Reid in run support. I might actually keep Cook in the Single High spot there given that he IS faster than Reid and single high responsibility is actually simple.

He seems to get lost mid-zone trying to play alongside another safety where he loses guys as they come across zones. In single high, maybe he'd be okay.

That’s true. Maybe jam the **** out of him at the LOS?

Eagles are gonna try to use ball control on use running and I think forcing them to pass is smart bc an incompletion stops the clock.

There’s certainly ways to disguise single high tho. Gonna need a lot of discipline vs the Eagles bc they are way harder to stop than SF due to Hurts mobility.

tredadda 01-28-2025 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17942455)
Funny seeing all these Eagle fans telling Bills fans they were pulling for them.


Of course they were.

Yup. They weren’t pulling for Buffalo for any other reason than they would rather face the Bills than the Chiefs.

Hammock Parties 01-28-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17942865)
That’s true. Maybe jam the **** out of him at the LOS?

Eagles are gonna try to use ball control on use running and I think forcing them to pass is smart bc an incompletion stops the clock.

There’s certainly ways to disguise single high tho. Gonna need a lot of discipline vs the Eagles bc they are way harder to stop than SF due to Hurts mobility.

These days Brock Purdy is more mobile than Jalen Hurts with that knee injury.

That guy was having a really hard time getting away from rushers.

I think we could see someone like Karlaftis or Danna go nuts this game.

tredadda 01-28-2025 05:23 PM

Taking turnovers out of the equation and I don’t want to scroll through over 500 posts, as it might’ve been covered already. Going toe to toe in this SB,

Philly wins because:
KC wins because:

Rausch 01-28-2025 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17942881)
Taking turnovers out of the equation and I don’t want to scroll through over 500 posts, as it might’ve been covered already. Going toe to toe in this SB,

Philly wins because:
KC wins because:

KC wins because they were good enough to beat Philly with Watson, K. Toney, and JuJu.

We now have Hollywood, D (HOF'er) Hop, and Worthy as well Watson and JuJu returning. It's TK's last super bowl in all likelihood. Hunt's Double Wide and driven ass is back. Our Defense is no longer full of rookies and inexperience.

We will **** this team up...

htismaqe 01-28-2025 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17942861)
We did a nice job of slowing that 49ers run game for sure. But CMC STILL managed 160 yards of total offense and a score.

And he left it on the field.

Barkley's gonna be a handful and he's gonna come at us all day.

There was uncalled penalty on that TD. Not too worried about it.

Rasputin 01-28-2025 05:51 PM

This game is in a dome on turf. I think that benefits the Chiefs with the speed we have at WR. This offense is going to explode.

Hammock Parties 01-28-2025 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17942895)
KC wins because they were good enough to beat Philly with Watson, K. Toney, and JuJu.

We now have Hollywood, D (HOF'er) Hop, and Worthy as well Watson and JuJu returning. It's TK's last super bowl in all likelihood. Hunt's Double Wide and driven ass is back. Our Defense is no longer full of rookies and inexperience.

We will **** this team up...

We're not losing in the place where Montana 55-10'd Elway.

This Lombardi is my birthright.

BLACK 59 RAZOR

ROYC75 01-28-2025 06:11 PM

Front 7 gotta get the job done on Barkley & Hurts.

Back end has to hold their own on Brown & Smith.

Gotta keep Hurts & OC confused withthe D coverage, mix it up well, disguise it to the max!

UChieffyBugger 01-28-2025 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17942857)
Can you play single high and still neutralize Goedert?

With Watson back, I feel okay about matching up with the Eagles WRs (though Smith vs. McDuffie is a little spooky because Smith's deep speed is so good and that's one area where McDuffie isn't truly elite).

But it feels like single high man coverage is gonna leave us pretty exposed to Goedert. And we're not going to put Hicks out there over Cook. We probably should, but we won't. Unless you're talking about a heavy nickel package with Hicks out there as a 3rd safety, in which case you could use him on Goedert and Reid in run support. I might actually keep Cook in the Single High spot there given that he IS faster than Reid and single high responsibility is actually simple.

He seems to get lost mid-zone trying to play alongside another safety where he loses guys as they come across zones. In single high, maybe he'd be okay.

Spags can just look back on his experience of going against the Ravens and Bills. Philly ain't bringing nothing this defense hasn't seen already.

DRM08 01-28-2025 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 17942923)
This game is in a dome on turf. I think that benefits the Chiefs with the speed we have at WR. This offense is going to explode.

The fake turf with no wind or rain/snow is a benefit for both offenses. Philly has very explosive weapons with Saquon, AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, etc.

Coochie liquor 01-28-2025 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17942275)
I was actually just thinking about that.

When was the last time an all time elite QB lost to an elite RB and average passing QB in the Super Bowl?

I can think of anything recent. Maybe the closest would be Manning and the Broncos losing to Marshaw Lynch and Wilson?

That was more about an all time Seattle defense though.

And the fact that the Seahawks found a tendency of Peyton’s that they exploited it all game.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...staff.amp.html

Red Dawg 01-28-2025 06:37 PM

We are battle tested. We played the tougher schedule and playoff teams.

BWillie 01-28-2025 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 17942923)
This game is in a dome on turf. I think that benefits the Chiefs with the speed we have at WR. This offense is going to explode.

I love playing in domes.

It takes luck out of it.

Mahomes is undefeated in domes.

Stryker 01-28-2025 07:31 PM

CHIEFS wearing white...

https://youtube.com/shorts/NHr2kuE0r...XJtuFmexzHLFCb

Dante84 01-28-2025 07:57 PM

Will we go heavy Nickel & Heavy Dime a lot in this game?

I feel like having extra Safeties on the field would help with both coverage of Goedert, as well as supporting with the speed and tackling required with Barkley.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 01-28-2025 09:20 PM

And for a breath of fresh air . . . and to think it comes from Shannon Sharpe . . .:hmmm:



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UChieffyBugger 01-28-2025 09:54 PM

With the Eagles having to play a backup LB already. I wonder what they will do when Andy goes into twelve personnel? Bring in the third string rookie LB Trotter or not even bother to go into base at all? That's gonna be interesting because I noticed all three of Washington's tight ends had catches last game for a combined 137 yards and a TD and word is Fangio stayed in nickle with Dejean vs 12 and 13 personnel. So it looks like they may not have any base packages due to Dean being out :hmmm:

Fishels 01-29-2025 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17939297)
Tom Brady calling the game where Mahomes does what he never did will be glorious

I have a feeling Tom is on our side. With his black magic mixed with Mahomes we might already have this thing locked up.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 06:15 AM

Philly starting Oren Burks could be big. No one makes linebackers looks lost and confused more than Andy Reid.

With what Philly has at corner, it’s going to make sense to attack LB early on as they try to make them second guess.

And even if we aren’t consistently winning outside, you’re always just one play away from Worthy or Brown killing you in a one-on-one spot.

dlphg9 01-29-2025 07:10 AM

I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

SHOWTIME 01-29-2025 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishels (Post 17943342)
I have a feeling Tom is on our side. With his black magic mixed with Mahomes we might already have this thing locked up.

I doubt it. No way he wants to see Mahomes three-peat when he couldn't do it.

RedinTexas 01-29-2025 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17943369)
I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

TV ratings don't reveal why people watch us. There are so many that watch us hoping we'll lose that they affect the ratings. Who cares why they watch so long as they watch. Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.

UChieffyBugger 01-29-2025 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17943361)
Philly starting Oren Burks could be big. No one makes linebackers looks lost and confused more than Andy Reid.

With what Philly has at corner, it’s going to make sense to attack LB early on as they try to make them second guess.

And even if we aren’t consistently winning outside, you’re always just one play away from Worthy or Brown killing you in a one-on-one spot.

The corners are interesting because as well as Mitchell had played he's been burned deep a fair few times. Especially by Mclaurin. And Slay is a vet but can he stay with Worthy or Brown? They don't have a third LB they trust to go into base so as I mentioned above 12 personnel could could be very interesting.

Also Rams had 402 yards of offense despite giving up the ball twice. Washington had 350 and 368 total yards respecfully despite giving up the ball NINE TIMES during the last two meetings. The key is the turnovers.

Rainbarrel 01-29-2025 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17943369)
I love all these people that talk about boycotting because of the Chiefs as if it will have any effect on anything.

The AFCCG was the most watched one ever and averaged 57.7 million viewers.

It's global. Their hissy boycott is pissing in the ocean

kccrow 01-29-2025 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17943069)
Will we go heavy Nickel & Heavy Dime a lot in this game?

I feel like having extra Safeties on the field would help with both coverage of Goedert, as well as supporting with the speed and tackling required with Barkley.

I'd be all for a lot of Dime actually if they put Hicks out there instead of Conner as that 3rd safety and Williams out there at CB instead of Johnson.

I feel like Watson/Williams on the outside with McDuffie in the slot to go with Hicks and Cook as the deep safeties with Reid in the box would be a really good matchup against that offense. That puts a lot of really good tackling DBs on the field and puts your best two blitzing DBs in a position to do it.

That said, they are going to be a tough offense to defend and I don't recall those that had success against them using a lot of Dime. We probably need to study a lot of what Baltimore did in Week 13, because they win if Tucker doesn't leave an XP and two FGs on the field, and I think what Green Bay did in the first round of the playoffs (I thought they played a healthy dose of nickel).

I'm not worried offensively. We know how to beat Fangio's zone and they are really susceptible to that intermediate passing game.

UChieffyBugger 01-29-2025 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17943391)
I'd be all for a lot of Dime actually if they put Hicks out there instead of Conner as that 3rd safety and Williams out there at CB instead of Johnson.

I feel like Watson/Williams on the outside with McDuffie in the slot to go with Hicks and Cook as the deep safeties with Reid in the box would be a really good matchup against that offense. That puts a lot of really good tackling DBs on the field and puts your best two blitzing DBs in a position to do it.

That said, they are going to be a tough offense to defend and I don't recall those that had success against them using a lot of Dime. We probably need to study a lot of what Baltimore did in Week 13, because they win if Tucker doesn't leave an XP and two FGs on the field, and I think what Green Bay did in the first round of the playoffs (I thought they played a healthy dose of nickel).

I'm not worried offensively. We know how to beat Fangio's zone and they are really susceptible to that intermediate passing game.

Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

Lzen 01-29-2025 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17942069)
Exactly. They play bully ball. If you punch them in the mouth, everything changes.

Like the Ravens last year?

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17943398)
Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

Packers and Chiefs have similar run defenses.

Eagles only sustained one long TD drive in that game. Packers turned the ball over way too much but still held the Eagles to 22.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17943383)
The corners are interesting because as well as Mitchell had played he's been burned deep a fair few times. Especially by Mclaurin. And Slay is a vet but can he stay with Worthy or Brown? They don't have a third LB they trust to go into base so as I mentioned above 12 personnel could could be very interesting.

Also Rams had 402 yards of offense despite giving up the ball twice. Washington had 350 and 368 total yards respecfully despite giving up the ball NINE TIMES during the last two meetings. The key is the turnovers.

Definitely grateful those two offenses put some good stuff on tape as for attacking Philly's D.

And you know on top of that, Andy and his guys will find a couple wrinkles that gave them trouble earlier in the season and dig those back up (like the formation vs. BUF Sunday, or Corn Dog from two years ago).

Shields68 01-29-2025 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17943398)
Philly haven't faced any top rated defenses. Infact ours is gonna be the highest rated they've faced thus far i believe.

Probably a lot like stopping the Ravens. A little better OLine, a little worse QB, Barkley v Henry...it really comes down to stopping the run game and getting them into have to pass situations.

RedinTexas 01-29-2025 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17943432)
Definitely grateful those two offenses put some good stuff on tape as for attacking Philly's D.

And you know on top of that, Andy and his guys will find a couple wrinkles that gave them trouble earlier in the season and dig those back up (like the formation vs. BUF Sunday, or Corn Dog from two years ago).

I was thinking a couple days ago that we'll see some variations of Corn Dog. I can't imagine that the Eagles won't be ready for that particular play this time around, but that would make them uniquely vulnerable to deception. They might be so keyed on stopping that particular variation of the play that it leaves them defenseless in some other way.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:01 AM

Turnovers are key. Eagles are +10 (10-0) in turnover differential with all 3 games remaining close for awhile at least (Commanders got out of hand late obviously).

Chiefs are -1 (0-1).

The Bills recovering all 5 fumbles is just ridiculous luck. Chiefs also should have had at least 1 pick against the Bills and Texans (Reid got banged up running into Watson who would’ve had an easy one).

Interesting thing is that the Eagles were only slightly better at taking the ball away than the Chiefs during the regular season. Eagles had 26, Chiefs had 20. Eagles gave it away 15 times, Chiefs gave it away 14 times.

10 in 3 games is a huge number for a team that averaged around 1 and a half per game during the regular season. Especially, when you consider that the playoff teams should be better competition than what they faced on average during the year.

If turnover differential is even or leans Chiefs in the Super Bowl, Eagles will be in trouble.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17943443)
I was thinking a couple days ago that we'll see some variations of Corn Dog. I can't imagine that the Eagles won't be ready for that particular play this time around, but that would make them uniquely vulnerable to deception. They might be so keyed on stopping that particular variation of the play that it leaves them defenseless in some other way.

Could just a false impression but after watching over a decade of Andy Reid offense, it seems like we do really well with over aggressive fronts and I think Philly may fall into that category. They love to get upfield quick and that's something a good schemer can really take advantage of with two weeks to prepare.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17943461)
Could just a false impression but after watching over a decade of Andy Reid offense, it seems like we do really well with over aggressive fronts and I think Philly may fall into that category. They love to get upfield quick and that's something a good schemer can really take advantage of with two weeks to prepare.

It’s no mystery that Hardman has had some great games against the 49ers.

He isn’t the main focus but can make explosive plays “against the grain” using their aggressiveness against them.

That’s all Andy.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943463)
It’s no mystery that Hardman has had some great games against the 49ers.

He isn’t the main focus but can make explosive plays “against the grain” using their aggressiveness against them.

That’s all Andy.

Yep, that's the best example of what I was trying to say.

And I do believe this is going to play out similar to the 49ers game earlier this year. Close and competitive early while both teams play through the emotions, while the far superior coaching staff and QB pull away in the second half.

"Never a doubt".

Lzen 01-29-2025 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17942365)
Fangio had nearly twice as many total pressures and 5% more pressure rate with Denver than this years Eagles.

Turns out Von Miller at 30 was still damn good, Bradley Chubb was good and Dre’Mont Jones was a solid interior rusher.

Fangio also had Justin Simmons who is an all-pro safety who constantly gave Mahomes problems in coverage.

Reed Blankenship and CJG are not anywhere near as good of coverage players as Simmons in his prime. Not even close

Wasn't this Fangio last year against the Chiefs in the playoffs? Starts at :40.

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SHOWTIME 01-29-2025 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 17943433)
Probably a lot like stopping the Ravens. A little better OLine, a little worse QB, Barkley v Henry...it really comes down to stopping the run game and getting them into have to pass situations.

Philly is the mirror image of Baltimore...I do think Baltimore's coaching staff is better though.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:17 AM

Mentioned it a month ago when it became apparent that Watson was returning - this is the exact type of matchup where his difference can really show.

Instead of staring down the barrel of consistent Nazeeh Johnson vs. AJ Brown or Devonta Smith matchups... now that isn't the case. Game changer. The onus is on Hurts again to make exceptional throws, which to his credit he did two years ago.

Mahomes007 01-29-2025 09:20 AM

Speaking of Nazeeh, anybody have the Chiefs player snap counts for the AFC Championship?

UChieffyBugger 01-29-2025 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahomes007 (Post 17943482)
Speaking of Nazeeh, anybody have the Chiefs player snap counts for the AFC Championship?

He had 19 snaps. And once again Joshua was ignored despite having vastly more experience smh.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17943474)
Mentioned it a month ago when it became apparent that Watson was returning - this is the exact type of matchup where his difference can really show.

Instead of staring down the barrel of consistent Nazeeh Johnson vs. AJ Brown or Devonta Smith matchups... now that isn't the case. Game changer. The onus is on Hurts again to make exceptional throws, which to his credit he did two years ago.

Hurts was great in that Super Bowl, but I will detract a bit here.

He hit 2 deep shots to Brown and Smith. Smith was a complete blown coverage. Brown had decent coverage, but McDuffie lost the ball in the lights or something. It was a weird play that probably shouldn’t have been completed.

Goedert made some miraculous catches in that game as well.

All of that combined was half or more of Hurts’s passing production in the game.

I have a really hard time seeing all that be repeated, when Hurts hasn’t proven to be a consistent passer.

SHOWTIME 01-29-2025 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943496)
Hurts was great in that Super Bowl, but I will detract a bit here.

He hit 2 deep shots to Brown and Smith. Smith was a complete blown coverage. Brown had decent coverage, but McDuffie lost the ball in the lights or something. It was a weird play that probably shouldn’t have been completed.

Goedert made some miraculous catches in that game as well.

All of that combined was half or more of Hurts’s passing production in the game.

I have a really hard time seeing all that be repeated, when Hurts hasn’t proven to be a consistent passer.

Philly's passing game ranks near the bottom of the league. They rely on Saquon. We stop Saquon, we win. If we cut him loose, we are done. Just stack the box and stop this guy at all costs. If Hurts beats us in the air and we lose, so be it.

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-29-2025 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 17943468)
Wasn't this Fangio last year against the Chiefs in the playoffs? Starts at :40.

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That defense had zero talent. All of the talent was on the offensive side of the ball.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943496)
Hurts was great in that Super Bowl, but I will detract a bit here.

He hit 2 deep shots to Brown and Smith. Smith was a complete blown coverage. Brown had decent coverage, but McDuffie lost the ball in the lights or something. It was a weird play that probably shouldn’t have been completed.

Goedert made some miraculous catches in that game as well.

All of that combined was half or more of Hurts’s passing production in the game.

I have a really hard time seeing all that be repeated, when Hurts hasn’t proven to be a consistent passer.

I keep thinking back to that MNF matchup last year where we really had their OL/Hurts in hell and if we can replicate that... nighty night.

Now, if our offense stinks, they'll still be in it. But for the reasons we've already discussed this morning, I don't foresee that.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2025 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943452)
Turnovers are key. Eagles are +10 (10-0) in turnover differential with all 3 games remaining close for awhile at least (Commanders got out of hand late obviously).

Chiefs are -1 (0-1).

The Bills recovering all 5 fumbles is just ridiculous luck. Chiefs also should have had at least 1 pick against the Bills and Texans (Reid got banged up running into Watson who would’ve had an easy one).

Interesting thing is that the Eagles were only slightly better at taking the ball away than the Chiefs during the regular season. Eagles had 26, Chiefs had 20. Eagles gave it away 15 times, Chiefs gave it away 14 times.

10 in 3 games is a huge number for a team that averaged around 1 and a half per game during the regular season. Especially, when you consider that the playoff teams should be better competition than what they faced on average during the year.

If turnover differential is even or leans Chiefs in the Super Bowl, Eagles will be in trouble.

I got scolded for this in the game thread, but folks looking to win this by turning the ball over need to look elsewhere.

If they happen, it'll be a happy accident.

The Chiefs have forced only 20 turnovers in 19 games this entire season. And SIX of those came in a single game (Cleveland) with 11 of them coming in 3 games.

More than half their turnovers this year came in 3 games. In 8 of those games they didn't force a single turnover. You mention the Eagles forcing 10 in those last 3 playoff games -- we forced 10 in a 3 game stretch as well against Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Houston. Then we kinda went back to not doing it again.

Don't go into this game expecting the Chiefs defense to force turnovers. It's not what they do. It's not what they've done for several seasons. If they get them -- bully.

But that cannot be your focus because you're likely to be disappointed. I don't expect the Eagles to go forcing a ton either, but ultimately that means that turnovers are unlikely to be key.

Both teams control the ball well. Neither team is great at forcing turnovers. This isn't gonna be a high turnover game.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17943505)
I got scolded for this in the game thread, but folks looking to win this by turning the ball over need to look elsewhere.

If they happen, it'll be a happy accident.

The Chiefs have forced only 20 turnovers in 19 games this entire season. And SIX of those came in a single game (Cleveland) with 11 of them coming in 3 games.

More than half their turnovers this year came in 3 games. In 8 of those games they didn't force a single turnover.

Don't go into this game expecting the Chiefs defense to force turnovers. It's not what they do. It's not what they've done for several seasons. If they get them -- bully.

But that cannot be your focus because you're likely to be disappointed.

I’m actually saying the exact opposite.

The Eagles didn’t take the ball away all that much more often than the Chiefs during the regular season, but now have 10 takeaways in the postseason.

I think that comes back to reality in the Super Bowl. I don’t expect the Chiefs to randomly get a 5 turnover game here.

The Eagles have won a couple close games in the postseason with huge advantages on turnovers. I don’t expect THAT to continue.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:37 AM

Turnovers are key in that the Chiefs cannot do what Green Bay or LA did.

They need to keep this thing tight 0-0, 1-1, 0-1, etc.

Chiefs can’t go 0-2 or worse in this one.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943513)
Turnovers are key in that the Chiefs cannot do what Green Bay or LA did.

They need to keep this thing tight 0-0, 1-1, 0-1, etc.

Chiefs can’t go 0-2 or worse in this one.

Yeah, think we tied SF 2-2 last year IIRC?

Can't do any worse than a tie. Not unless Hurts plays really bad.

UChieffyBugger 01-29-2025 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17943443)
I was thinking a couple days ago that we'll see some variations of Corn Dog. I can't imagine that the Eagles won't be ready for that particular play this time around, but that would make them uniquely vulnerable to deception. They might be so keyed on stopping that particular variation of the play that it leaves them defenseless in some other way.

It's definitely gonna be in their heads and that's a powerful mental advantage to have because if they don't pay attention to it it could screw them again and how would they react to that? And if they over do it Andy could make them pay and then they'll be in a rock and a hard place. Confusing young guys like Mitchell and Dejean, and a backup like Burks is gonna be important.

Gary Cooper 01-29-2025 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17943474)
Mentioned it a month ago when it became apparent that Watson was returning - this is the exact type of matchup where his difference can really show.

Instead of staring down the barrel of consistent Nazeeh Johnson vs. AJ Brown or Devonta Smith matchups... now that isn't the case. Game changer. The onus is on Hurts again to make exceptional throws, which to his credit he did two years ago.

Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

smithandrew051 01-29-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17943532)
Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game.

The Eagles top weapons are great, but it’s all JAGs after that.

It’s a very top heavy group, which is probably good since our DBs are top heavy as well.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2025 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17943532)
Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

Goedert is the concern. Because if you go by snap counts, it sets up for him to be covered potentially by Conner a lot.

We need to avoid that. Let Reid and/or Hicks do more there.

Mahomes007 01-29-2025 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17943532)
Watson coming back is huge.

That said, the secondary can still be exploited because one of Cook, Johnson/Connor will be out there on most snaps. If the Eagles want, they can pick on those players. The Bills had repeated success converting 3rd and long down the middle of the field. Hurts isn't Josh Allen, but he's not a bum either. They have weapons in the passing game. If I'm the Eagles, I'm isolating the Chiefs LBs and Cook in coverage as much as possible.

One of Cook, Nazeeh, or Conner does not have to be out there, ready to be exploited.

It is Spag’s decisions, point blank.

We have McDuffie, Watson and Williams at CB. Justin Reid and Hicks at Safeties. Even Roland-Wallace at nickel, if they go that route.

Gary Cooper 01-29-2025 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17943535)
The Eagles top weapons are great, but it’s all JAGs after that.

It’s a very top heavy group, which is probably good since our DBs are top heavy as well.

Mack Hollins and Curtis Samuel didn't do much in the regular season but made key 3rd and long and 4th and long conversions during breakdowns in coverage. Cook gave Hollins too much space on a 3rd and long during Buffalo's last TD drive, and Tranquill let Samuel run free on the 4th down TD.

It's also true that the Eagles have no WRs of any kind besides Brown/Smith. I'm hoping Goedert gets a lot of attention from Spags because he's capable of getting lost in the secondary with so much focus on stopping the run and containing their WRs.


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