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Frazod 05-13-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6755312)
Dusty Baker? You look in the rear view mirror lately? It's Cincy on our tails and we got a 3 game set with them starting tommorrow in Cincy.

Yes, I know.

Miles 05-13-2010 09:00 AM

Wonder if any team is interested in a hitter that is on pace for 185 hits and 40 doubles despite a slow start. Nah just pick up Chris Duncan. He is tall and white so he can do the same.

DJ's left nut 05-13-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6755157)
Expanding their strike zones and not being more displined at the plate is not McGuires fault.

Exactly.

In fact, that's a Hal McRae teaching.

McRae was of the 'grip and rip' school. He was a guy that taught you to look for the first pitch you can hit and try to hit hard whereever it is pitched. I disagreed vehemently with his approach, but it's an undeniably accepted 'old school' method.

McGwire teaches hitters to take a strike, work the count and attempt to drive the ball back up the middle. His idea is that you make the pitcher come to you. This is the approach that I generally favor.

The problem is that it's just not going to work for Brendan Ryan. He's the most hyper ballplayer I've ever seen. His entire game is frenetic and wired. He's not going to be able to take a strike and still feel comfortable up there. McRae's approach worked far better for him than McGwire's would.

Remember -- Mark McGwire is a rookie hitting coach himself. He's going to have some bumps along the way here. The guys that are expanding their zones and getting themselves out, that's not on McGwire; it's precisely the opposite of what he teaches. However, Brendan Ryan's struggles do lay in large part on McGwires shoulders. I'm not blaming him, I'm simply saying that his 'core' teachings are not compatible with Ryan's personality. Sometimes players and coaches are just a poor fit for each other.

As time goes by, I think McGwire will adjust and adapt as a hitting coach and a guy like Ryan won't be such a difficult case for him, but right now McGwire is doing Ryan far more harm than good.

DJ's left nut 05-13-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6755312)
Dusty Baker? You look in the rear view mirror lately? It's Cincy on our tails and we got a 3 game set with them starting tommorrow in Cincy.

Told y'all....

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6653422)
The Reds are going to surprise a lot of people this year.

Votto is a beast, Bruce soon will be. Phillips is among the best 2b in baseball, and Rolen showed today that he still has some pretty serious skills out there. Stubbs and Dickerson are both solid table-setters and good speed guys. Cabrera was a perfect pickup for them and even Ramon Hernandez provides a solid stick for his position.

The Reds will score runs all season. The question is going to be their rotation. Cueto's due to break down (too small, throws too many sliders, is managed by Dusty Baker); Bailey is a wild-card, Volquez is hurt, Chapman may or may not be ready, Harang is an enigma and then some, Arroyo is what he is (exceedingly mediocre). If Harang pitches to his peripherals and Bailey turns the corner, they're in pretty decent shape.

They have some nice pieces out in the pen (Masset's much better than he showed and would be our closer, no questions asked) and strong defense.

Don't sleep on the Reds. I have them finishing 2nd in the division this year and hanging in the WC hunt 'till the end (though the fact that Heyward is evidently the 2nd coming of Albert may make that a runaway as well).

The Reds are a very good ballclub.

Dusty Baker's still a damn moron, but that's a good team.

Chief Henry 05-13-2010 09:28 AM

What a sick bunch of baseball players...they look lathargic and uninterested.
Kyle L. needed to pickup his team last night and he fell flat on his face.
Losh is making me feel sick every time he takes the mound, much like every time Ryan handles a bat

BigRedChief 05-13-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6755418)
What a sick bunch of baseball players...they look lathargic and uninterested.
Kyle L. needed to pickup his team last night and he fell flat on his face.
Losh is making me feel sick every time he takes the mound, much like every time Ryan handles a bat

Wonder if their is something going on in the clubhouse we don't know about?

Frazod 05-13-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6755515)
Wonder if their is something going on in the clubhouse we don't know about?

I hope it involves Brendan Ryan getting a blanket party.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-13-2010 10:25 AM

Lohse is who he's always been: a fifth starter. You can't expect him to pick up the team. He's paid like someone who should, but he's not capable of doing it.

The team as a whole seems listless and lacking in confidence right now.

BigRedChief 05-13-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6755554)
The team as a whole seems listless and lacking in confidence right now.

And thats not a Larrussa team at all. We can bitch about his micromanaging and players he loves way past when the rest of us figured out they were done but, his teams usually play hard and don't look like they have lately. Makes me think something is up in the locker room.

BigRedChief 05-13-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6755518)
I hope it involves Brendan Ryan getting a blanket party.

Greene starts for Ryan today.

Miles 05-13-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6755554)
Lohse is who he's always been: a fifth starter. You can't expect him to pick up the team. He's paid like someone who should, but he's not capable of doing it.

The team as a whole seems listless and lacking in confidence right now.

Sadly Lohse is getting badly exposed with the mediocre stuff he has always had. Contract year with Duncan unfortunately lead to a decent contract with the team that usually spits that type out into FA.

DJ's left nut 05-13-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 6755582)
Sadly Lohse is getting badly exposed with the mediocre stuff he has always had. Contract year with Duncan unfortunately lead to a decent contract with the team that usually spits that type out into FA.

Lohse doesn't have mediocre stuff, nor does he have a #5 starter ceiling.

Lohse has better stuff than Piniero had, without question. When Lohse is on, his movement and his arsenal actually make him quite formidable.

Lohse can be a solid #4 or a fringe #3 when he has his head on right. Unfortunately, he's feeling for his stuff and guiding it rather than throwing it. Once you start guiding your pitches, they'll flatten out and/or elevate.

He's in his own head right now. If I were Duncan, I'd send him out there for his next start with orders to lean heavily, I'm talking 90% of his pitches, on his 2-seamer.

Tell him to just pound the shit out of the lower half of the zone with that pitch. Throw it until you get a feel for it. If you get shelled, so what.

Since he can't spot his heat right now, he's relying on his breaking stuff and his breaking stuff isn't going well either. As a consequence, he's not improving anywhere. He's just a mess out there.

Get the fastball right and a lot of things will fall into place. Pitching at the major league level follows your fastball. I don't care if you have Randy Johnson's slider and Santana's changeup, it's the heat that sets up everything. Until he is able to control his fastball, the rest of it is immaterial.

Miles 05-13-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6755609)
Lohse doesn't have mediocre stuff, nor does he have a #5 starter ceiling.

Lohse has better stuff than Piniero had, without question. When Lohse is on, his movement and his arsenal actually make him quite formidable.

Lohse can be a solid #4 or a fringe #3 when he has his head on right. Unfortunately, he's feeling for his stuff and guiding it rather than throwing it. Once you start guiding your pitches, they'll flatten out and/or elevate.

He's in his own head right now. If I were Duncan, I'd send him out there for his next start with orders to lean heavily, I'm talking 90% of his pitches, on his 2-seamer.

Tell him to just pound the shit out of the lower half of the zone with that pitch. Throw it until you get a feel for it. If you get shelled, so what.

Since he can't spot his heat right now, he's relying on his breaking stuff and his breaking stuff isn't going well either. As a consequence, he's not improving anywhere. He's just a mess out there.

Get the fastball right and a lot of things will fall into place. Pitching at the major league level follows your fastball. I don't care if you have Randy Johnson's slider and Santana's changeup, it's the heat that sets up everything. Until he is able to control his fastball, the rest of it is immaterial.

I never said he was a #5. #4 or a well coached #3 in the NL is often mediocre stuff.

Miles 05-13-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6755575)
Greene starts for Ryan today.

Lopez we need you,

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-13-2010 11:34 AM

I've never been high on Lohse. He has a career 4.70 ERA and a 4.52 FIP. He had a career year in '08. I don't think that performance is really repeatable.

It's nice to think that Lohse could consistently spot his fastball if he worked on it, but it's like saying that Tiger should be able to hit 80% of his fairways with his driver.


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