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DaKCMan AP 10-24-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9045231)
I still think Baldwin could be a great #2 opposite Bowe. He can be that deep threat with a viable QB. Our best WR trio would be Bowe and Baldwin on the outside and Breaston in the slot.

+1

ndws 10-24-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9045154)
as long as we trade him for a 1st rd pick+ from Cleveland,Jags,Carolina to get a QB.


maybe we could have the first 2 picks of the draft. :D

We would draft the kids of Steve Emtman and Quintin Coryatt. Most definitely if they went to LSU.

GoChiefz 10-24-2012 10:53 AM

I hate this team :(

mcaj22 10-24-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9045231)
I still think Baldwin could be a great #2 opposite Bowe. He can be that deep threat with a viable QB. Our best WR trio would be Bowe and Baldwin on the outside and Breaston in the slot.

that's the problem. COULD.

words like COULD BE. POTENTIAL. HOPE. WORKOUT WARRIOR. TRAINING CAMP WARRIOR. That's FOUR years of those type statements about 90 percent of the players Pioli drafted.

Yeah well he COULD be good. When? in the year 2015? I don't have ****ing the time in the day to wait for this shit team to stop being shit.

The Falcons sold the farm for a #2 WR that IS a great #2 opposite of THEIR #1 in Roddy White.

Pioli tried to sell us on the idea that the drop off from Julio Jones and Jon Baldwin was so small because they are the same player thanks to his father in laws garbage advice.

And it makes it even worse because we skipped ahead of the Ravens in that draft and the Ravens crapped their pants because the Bears boned them in a trade or whatever, and we had a wide open shot to draft Jimmy Smith and the Ravens panicked and actually thought we were, because it was clearly the BPA and we need all the natural playmaking talent we can get. The Ravens saw that. Instead Pioli drafts Jon Baldwin and then later on we get stuck with the crappy piece of garbage CB from Colorado instead, Jalil Brown.

We always settle for the turds.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9045216)
I dont know how you can sit in front of your computer and spew that Bowe is overrated and x, y and z but then polish a ****ing god awful piece of garbage turd like Jon Baldwin based on hype, propaganda and being a Pioli ball washer.

It's laughable at this point.

I hate Pioli. I like Baldwin a lot.

I don't see how you can watch his tapes at Pitt and not be intrigued by the talent there.

There is a TON of Vincent Jackson in that kid. It took Jackson 3 years of intermittent time and opportunity to figure it out. Once he did, he was a stud doing little more than going up and getting balls and out-running guys. Baldwin absolutely has the physical ability to do those things.

Maybe Baldwin never gets there, but I don't see how anyone can be so eager to call him crap at this point. There's way too much talent in him to give up on and I really do think the work ethic is there. He's still trying to sluff off a stigma imparted by a wanna-be thug and complete has-been trying to start shit with a rookie.

If Thomas Jones isn't a ****stain, we're not worried about Baldwin apart from asking why he isn't getting more looks. Give up on him at your own peril.

You're the one letting your view of Pioli cloud your judgment on a player - not the other way around. You hate Baldwin because you like the idea of another Pioli fail. Don't project onto others what you're guilty of doing.

Micjones 10-24-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9045312)
that's the problem. COULD.

words like COULD BE. POTENTIAL. HOPE. WORKOUT WARRIOR. TRAINING CAMP WARRIOR. That's FOUR years of those type statements about 90 percent of the players Pioli drafted.

Yeah well he COULD be good. When? in the year 2015? I don't have ****ing the time in the day to wait for this shit team to stop being shit.

The Falcons sold the farm for a #2 WR that IS a great #2 opposite of THEIR #1 in Roddy White.

Pioli tried to sell us on the idea that the drop off from Julio Jones and Jon Baldwin was so small because they are the same player thanks to his father in laws garbage advice.

And it makes it even worse because we skipped ahead of the Ravens in that draft and the Ravens crapped their pants because the Bears boned them in a trade or whatever, and we had a wide open shot to draft Jimmy Smith and the Ravens panicked and actually thought we were, because it was clearly the BPA and we need all the natural playmaking talent we can get. The Ravens saw that. Instead Pioli drafts Jon Baldwin and then later on we get stuck with the crappy piece of garbage CB from Colorado instead, Jalil Brown.

We always settle for the turds.

Agreed (in part). Baldwin hasn't shown yet that he deserves to start.
Breaston should be the starter. He's produced in this offense.

Woodchuck 10-24-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9045231)
I still think Baldwin could be a great #2 opposite Bowe. He can be that deep threat with a viable QB. Our best WR trio would be Bowe and Baldwin on the outside and Breaston in the slot.

McCluster is getting open more than any other receiver and you want to take him out? Sorry man but I don't see it. That isn't the best line up.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 9045339)
Agreed (in part). Baldwin hasn't shown yet that he deserves to start.
Breaston should be the starter. He's produced in this offense.

Breaston should be the starter. So should Baldwin.

We don't use a fullback effectively and with Boss down and Moeaki being garbage, we don't have the personnel for a 2 TE set.

Our most effective offensive package should be a 3-wide, single back set. This will give Charles enough space to get at least one easy cut-back lane and he should remain extremely effective.

Then you go with Bowe and Baldwin wide, Breaston in the slot.

It's a fantastic combination of skill-sets and potential. You have a massive possession WR in Bowe that can move the sticks almost at will while also presenting a threat after the catch due to his strength. You have a guy in Baldwin that, through his height and speed alone should keep the safety on his side of the field honest, which opens up some space for Charles and more importantly the third wheel of the WR corps, Breaston. Breaston is great in and out of his cuts and runs smart routes, he's a perfect choice to take advantage of the space created in the intermediate areas by Baldwin.

But Daboll is really really bad at his job.

There are complimentary parts here - we just don't use them correctly.

Chiefnj2 10-24-2012 11:12 AM

Should have taken Torrey Smith over Baldwin.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9045352)
McCluster is getting open more than any other receiver and you want to take him out? Sorry man but I don't see it. That isn't the best line up.

Of course he's open.

He's generally 7 yards short of the sticks on 3rd down - why cover him until he's caught it?

McCluster is a drag on this offense more often than he isn't.

DTLB58 10-24-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9045358)
Breaston should be the starter. So should Baldwin.

We don't use a fullback effectively and with Boss down and Moeaki being garbage, we don't have the personnel for a 2 TE set.

Our most effective offensive package should be a 3-wide, single back set. This will give Charles enough space to get at least one easy cut-back lane and he should remain extremely effective.

Then you go with Bowe and Baldwin wide, Breaston in the slot.

It's a fantastic combination of skill-sets and potential. You have a massive possession WR in Bowe that can move the sticks almost at will while also presenting a threat after the catch due to his strength. You have a guy in Baldwin that, through his height and speed alone should keep the safety on his side of the field honest, which opens up some space for Charles and more importantly the third wheel of the WR corps, Breaston. Breaston is great in and out of his cuts and runs smart routes, he's a perfect choice to take advantage of the space created in the intermediate areas by Baldwin.

But Daboll is really really bad at his job.

There are complimentary parts here - we just don't use them correctly.

Great Post! Couldn't agree more.

The Franchise 10-24-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9045359)
Should have taken Torrey Smith over Baldwin.

And he would be useless in this offense because we don't have a QB to get him the deep ball and an OC that wouldn't send him deep anyways.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9045359)
Should have taken Torrey Smith over Baldwin.

Probably some truth to that.

But if you reversed the roles, I think Baldwin would be having a much better career than Smith right now. We'd be saying the same thing, only it would be slightly less apparent. Torrey Smith has received twice as many targets over his career as Baldwin and he's done it while getting them thrown by a much better quarterback in a much better offensive system.

DTLB58 10-24-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9045359)
Should have taken Torrey Smith over Baldwin.

That doesn't matter with the QB/ OC situation scheme being used.

It all goes back to when a QB gets drafted what coach/ system does he go into makes or breaks him. If the Chiefs draft the #1 QB next April but its this staff, makes no difference. The Chiefs will still suck!

Chiefnj2 10-24-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9045381)
That doesn't matter with the QB/ OC situation scheme being used.

It all goes back to when a QB gets drafted what coach/ system does he go into makes or breaks him. If the Chiefs draft the #1 QB next April but its this staff, makes no difference. The Chiefs will still suck!

It does matter. Smith is a threat to take it to the endzone whenever he catches the ball because of his speed. Plus, he can get open.


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