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threebag 12-01-2016 11:02 AM

LMAO

DJ's left nut 12-01-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12589148)
What do you think about Cousins?

I truly have no idea.

First blush says I have no interest in paying him what he'd command on the open market. I don't think he gives one **** about Washington and is going to the highest bidders either way. And because he was tagged last year, tagging him again this year would be cost prohibitive for Washington so he'll hit the market.

11 games into the season, there's no reason at all for him to sign early so he'll get there.

He won't get Andrew Luck money but he won't get far from it. Probably looking at an Aaron Rodgers contract. I like Cousins' stats but I just don't watch him enough to know if those are real or system related.

Cousins may well be the kind of QB that kills you. Paying $25 million/season for Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck sounds harsh but as force multipliers it's worthwhile. Paying $23 million to a guy that may just be a nice quarterback...well that hurts worse than paying $17 million for a game manager.

The Franchise 12-01-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12589175)
I truly have no idea.

First blush says I have no interest in paying him what he'd command on the open market. I don't think he gives one **** about Washington and is going to the highest bidders either way. And because he was tagged last year, tagging him again this year would be cost prohibitive for Washington so he'll hit the market.

11 games into the season, there's no reason at all for him to sign early so he'll get there.

He won't get Andrew Luck money but he won't get far from it. Probably looking at an Aaron Rodgers contract. I like Cousins' stats but I just don't watch him enough to know if those are real or system related.

Cousins may well be the kind of QB that kills you. Paying $25 million/season for Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck sounds harsh but as force multipliers it's worthwhile. Paying $23 million to a guy that may just be a nice quarterback...well that hurts worse than paying $17 million for a game manager.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns push hard for him.

rico 12-01-2016 11:06 AM

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threebag 12-01-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12589175)
Paying $23 million to a guy that may just be a nice quarterback...well that hurts worse than paying $17 million for a game manager.

Best name floating out there but no value.

DJ's left nut 12-01-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12589178)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns push hard for him.

You can just start writing the 'holy shit, he got WHAT!?!?' articles right now.

Because the deal he signs is going to floor people. It shouldn't - it's a QB league and he's a younger one with stats that rival anybody's the last 2 years. He's going to get huge money.

threebag 12-01-2016 11:16 AM

He is going to get paid for sure. In a QB hungry league it happens.

mcaj22 12-01-2016 11:21 AM

I think he's worth it. Dude pushed a #2 overall draft pick out of an entire city. Turned a locker room and fanbase against him through just by being the guy that stepped in and played better over time with improvement.

threebag 12-01-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12589217)
I think he's worth it. Dude pushed a #2 overall draft pick out of an entire city. Turned a locker room and fanbase against him through just by being the guy that stepped in and played better over time with improvement.

LMAO

RGIII sure didnt help himself. Cassel/Cutler/Brock/Semen could have done that there. They were done with RGIII at any cost. They just got lucky they drafted two. It's your flute blow away.

DJ's left nut 12-01-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12589217)
I think he's worth it. Dude pushed a #2 overall draft pick out of an entire city. Turned a locker room and fanbase against him through just by being the guy that stepped in and played better over time with improvement.

He might be. But remember that he's 29 next year.

So you can either sign him to a deal that you're locked into for at least 4 years and effectively close the door on a true developmental QB (as well as lose at least 1 blue-chip defensive player/potential FA). Or you can spin the wheel with the draft pick.

I'm just not convinced he's an obviously better bet to succeed outside of Washington to justify all that $$ over going out and drafting/developing your own guy. And at 29, he's still not anything more than a stop-gap in the same sense we've always viewed Alex Smith. He's not a Peyton Manning/Tony Romo ticking time-bomb of a stop gap, but he's not going to be that 10 year solution we keep hoping to find.

I think I'd rather draft Trubisky or Watson. Hell, I see a whole lot of Cousins in Mahomes. And Webb sure looks the part.

I don't think this QB draft is as bad as many folks do. I think there is talent in here that we should take a chance on. If you sign Cousins to the contracat he'll demand, that's not happening for at least 4 more years.

The Franchise 12-01-2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12589227)
He might be. But remember that he's 29 next year.

So you can either sign him to a deal that you're locked into for at least 4 years and effectively close the door on a true developmental QB (as well as lose at least 1 blue-chip defensive player/potential FA). Or you can spin the wheel with the draft pick.

I'm just not convinced he's an obviously better bet to succeed outside of Washington to justify all that $$ over going out and drafting/developing your own guy. And at 29, he's still not anything more than a stop-gap in the same sense we've always viewed Alex Smith. He's not a Peyton Manning/Tony Romo ticking time-bomb of a stop gap, but he's not going to be that 10 year solution we keep hoping to find.

I think I'd rather draft Trubisky or Watson. Hell, I see a whole lot of Cousins in Mahomes. And Webb sure looks the part.

I don't think this QB draft is as bad as many folks do. I think there is talent in here that we should take a chance on. If you sign Cousins to the contracat he'll demand, that's not happening for at least 4 more years.

I think this QB class has good talent. It just doesn't have that talent that you'll see 3 QBs in the top 10 picks. That obviously can change when the combine and media hype is over.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 12-01-2016 11:32 AM

You look at tight ends and receivers he has to throw to and it makes you nervous to give him a contract despite those numbers cause you have no idea what he'll be like with average talent around him.
He doesn't pass the eye test when you compare him to Dak, Russell, Luck

And his record is just 6-4-1

DJ's left nut 12-01-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12589230)
I think this QB class has good talent. It just doesn't have that talent that you'll see 3 QBs in the top 10 picks. That obviously can change when the combine and media hype is over.

That's good for us.

With where the Chiefs are in the competitive cycle, the depth of a class is more important than the top of the class.

We're not the Browns; there's not going to be a top 5 pick coming for us in the next 3 years. We need guys with tools and warts that we can polish up to fall to us (i.e. Carr).

And with Smith's deal being easily escapable but not crazy expensive over the next 2 years, now is the time to do it. It gives the team a ton of flexibility in how they handle their QB situation.

DJ's left nut 12-01-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12589231)
You look at tight ends and receivers he has to throw to and it makes you nervous to give him a contract despite those numbers cause you have no idea what he'll be like with average talent around him.
He doesn't pass the eye test when you compare him to Dak, Russell, Luck

And his record is just 6-4-1

He only presently has average talent to throw to.

Garcon, Jackson and Reed isn't exactly Rice, Taylor and Jones. Hell, it's not clearly better than Maclin, Kelce and Hill.

For me it's a system question more than anything. Can he adapt to a WC scheme and only tape review can tell you that. I'm just not well informed enough to make a strong statement there.

But money and term sure favors the draft pick...

threebag 12-01-2016 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12589234)
That's good for us.

With where the Chiefs are in the competitive cycle, the depth of a class is more important than the top of the class.

We're not the Browns; there's not going to be a top 5 pick coming for us in the next 3 years. We need guys with tools and warts that we can polish up to fall to us (i.e. Carr).

And with Smith's deal being easily escapable but not crazy expensive over the next 2 years, now is the time to do it. It gives the team a ton of flexibility in how they handle their QB situation.

But Tyler Bray, i read it here so it will be.


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