Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9889699)

Really strong post. Fans should hit the reset button each year. The only possible exception is if organizations have a disastrous season, yet keep all aspects of the team the same. That could put a real strain on hope... but that isn't the case with what KC has done from the 2012 to 2013 season.

GO CHIEFS

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9889625)

It was a double entendre. I was on one hand referring to a certain segment of the fanbase that seems to believe the front office can do no wrong, and jumps all over anyone who questions any moves made, whether it's by Peterson, or Pioli or Dorsey. It's something that I've seen happen every offseason going back as far back as 1999. So I was saying that people like that, who never question anything, are basically just accepting whatever they get. Which as we know, over that period of time, has been losing.

And as O.city mentioned, the franchise has also operated in their version of "win now" mode over that time frame, with very little in terms of real commitment given to team development through the draft. Marty/Gun and Vermeil all basically killed the future (now present) of the franchise from the mid-90s through the mid-00s, and without the aberration that's marked by a few solitary draft picks between 2006 and 2008 things would be even worse now, as hard as that is to believe. So I also was saying that being okay with the way the franchise was operated from 1998 until now is being okay with losing. Because that's ultimately what you'll get.

Now, I hope they're trying to change the approach. You'd think they would, particularly with Dorsey (Reid's activities the last couple of years are frightening, on the other hand...). But the reality is that they haven't, yet. They also haven't really had time to.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9889787)

Why does there have to be some fan standard? People should just react how they react.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9889807)

Some portion of every single fan base will back the FO no matter what, thats just reality. Last year in the middle of SOC there were people telling us it was wrong. Its just how it works, the Chiefs are no different a fan base in that regard.

The team did not use a win now approach in 2008 or 2009 and that ended up getting Herm fired because the losing caused the fan base to stop showing up. If you rember they TRIED to use Croyle as QBOTF but Brokie ended up being Brokie and well, not very good.

No one can debate we could have made better QB decisions since then but its also practically impossible to deny (though some will try) we have a talented team right now and trying to win now while developing for the future is the best option at this time.

I have no doubt thats the plan.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9889822)

When exactly is that not the best option?

I wouldn't necessarily say its impossible to deny right now. There is quite a bit of individual talent but that talent just came off a 2 win season. I'm hoping the coaching makes a huge difference

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9889805)

@mellinger: DKTM: "It’s not up to fans to change decades of learned pessimism. It’s up to the #Royals to give them a reason." http://t.co/NKYhbYI27w


I think this fits the Chiefs as well

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9889517)

Just simplistic thinking.

Its like saying because you don't enjoy Rush you don't like 80's Rock N Roll.

No I just don't like Rush.

If you don't like Rush you must hate 80's Rock because Rush is an 80's rock band.

No idiot I don't like Rush.

Simplistic thinking.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9889876)

Chiefs fans don't have decades of learned pessimism. They have higher expectations. Royals fans are dying for an over .500 record, and to just be in the hunt. Many Chiefs fans are saying playoff wins or bust.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9889876)

Chiefs fans don't have decades of learned pessimism. They have higher expectations. Royals fans are dying for an over .500 record, and to just be in the hunt. Many Chiefs fans are saying playoff wins or bust.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9889889)

So no Chiefs fan has reason to be pessimistic that the Alex Smith signing isn't going to work?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9889894)

The chiefs haven't win a playoff game in 2 decades.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9889896)

Didn't say that. Just saying being a Royals fan and being a Chiefs fan are two different things.

You can be pessimistic about any move you want.