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ChiefsCountry 12-07-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11936142)
People said that about Lynn for years - turns out he just didn't have a good way to get lefties out.

Sometimes what appears to be a mental issue really is an arsenal problem. Duffy's giving up a .340+ career OBP against off-handed hitters and with so much of baseball being RH, that's obviously a hell of a problem.

He doesn't appear to be shying away from RH hitters (he comes inside against them more than in years past). That's usually the first thing to look for with guys that are mentally defeated by off-handed hitters - they pitch away, away, away over and over again.

It could be that he's now psyched out by them, so in that regard, perhaps it's a mental problem...but one borne of a lack of available options. If he could tinker with his breaker or change (really, the change should be his best weapon against RHers), perhaps he could break through that wall.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's a lot of selection bias at this level. Most guys that are truly soft just don't get this far. Generally when something appears to be mental, especially with pitchers, its really just a problem with his arsenal and an innate knowledge that he's fighting uphill against every RHer. If he could just have a little more success against RHers, it may be what puts him over the top.

Duffy is a mental headcase. Shields helped him out quite a bit to control the emotion, but that's his biggest problem. When he is on, he is a solid #3 pitcher.

WhawhaWhat 12-07-2015 01:48 PM

Heard some people talking about the Royals looking into Jose Fernandez since the Marlins were trying to offload Ozuna. There's the price tag, 2 top 10 prospects.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How exorbitant is the price on Jose Fernandez? Sources say the Marlins have asked the Dodgers for Julio Urias and Corey Seager.</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/673865841239265285">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 01:54 PM

Wonder how the Royals can get Ozuna. Jose Fernandez def going to cost a ton coming off arm injury is scary.

DJ's left nut 12-07-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11936189)
Have to wait for Duncan to chime in but from what I seen at times he wasnt even close to the zone so he wound get into a lot of 3-2 counts. I recall it being the more guys taking a pitch a foot outside the zone that forced those counts more so than guys fouling off a lot pitches.

Thats why I think hes pretty much the same guy as a starter or in the pen. If you arent in or around the zone stuff playing up in the pen doesn't mean muchm

True.

If he's just erratic as shit, a move to the 'pen isn't likely to make him appreciably better. There's really no hiding a lack of command. If your biomechanics just won't allow you to repeat your delivery, you're sunk regardless of the role you're in.

If you're over 4 pitches/PA with a K rate below 9, you're in a tough spot as a reliever. If it's below 8 you're probably not very good and below 7 puts you in a group you do not want to be in. Duffy's over 4 and his K/9 is at 6.72. Some guys can survive that way but it's obviously not ideal (and, IMO, not sustainable).

Just looking at rates, looks like he's out of the zone a little more often than most (48.5% vs. about 50% average). His first pitch strike rates are also a little down (57 vs. 59). Guys do tend to swing at him a little more than average (48 vs. 46) and when they do, they tend to make more contact (82% vs 80%).

It seems to be a combination of things. He's not terribly good at fooling batters (slightly below average at getting guys to chase), not good at getting them to miss and not good at getting into favorable counts. He doesn't appear to be all over the place, but his contact rates don't profile as someone that would dominate even if he pounded the zone.

It could be that the low-quality breaking ball has him nibbling because he knows he can't attack guys and get them out (thus hurting his control numbers) or it could be that his command gets him into hitters counts where hitters know they can sit on a single pitch and drive it.

I tell ya, looking at his Pitch F/X it looks like about what I thought I saw w/r/t to his changeup - the thing doesn't drop at all. It's damn hard to fool guys with your change on just velocity alone. If you're doing that with no drop, you need a solid 10 mph of separation. He's sitting right at that mark and that's why it's rating average, but I really do think it'd be interesting to see him experiment with a split change to neutralize righties better.

siberian khatru 12-07-2015 02:04 PM

Red Sox send Miley to the Mariners

Prison Bitch 12-07-2015 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 11936241)
Wonder how the Royals can get Ozuna. Jose Fernandez def going to cost a ton coming off arm injury is scary.

Read the post above yours

Saul Good 12-07-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11936126)
Duffy's curve is overrated. It has some break, but it's not what it was pimped to be coming through the minors. Just don't think there is any real deception with it, so it's relatively easy to track out of the hand.

His breaking stuff is nasty, but he can't throw it for a strike, so batters just spit on it.

Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 11936267)
Red Sox send Miley to the Mariners

Damnit

Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11936295)
Read the post above yours

Ozunas price tag can't be 2 top 10 prospects...I hearsd they may want a SP

Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 03:35 PM

@JonHeymanCBS: Royals haven't given up hope of Alex Gordon return. Will have plenty of competition (possibly laa, det, stl, chic, bal etc)

WhawhaWhat 12-07-2015 04:24 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tigers GM Al Avila tells Detroit reporters that they are out of Cespedes and Alex Gordon talks. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tigers?src=hash">#Tigers</a></p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/673986632425463809">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 04:47 PM

@McCulloughStar: BREAKING: Ned Yost says Rusty Kuntz will be the team's first-base coach again in 2016.

KevB 12-07-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11936247)
True.

If he's just erratic as shit, a move to the 'pen isn't likely to make him appreciably better. There's really no hiding a lack of command. If your biomechanics just won't allow you to repeat your delivery, you're sunk regardless of the role you're in.

If you're over 4 pitches/PA with a K rate below 9, you're in a tough spot as a reliever. If it's below 8 you're probably not very good and below 7 puts you in a group you do not want to be in. Duffy's over 4 and his K/9 is at 6.72. Some guys can survive that way but it's obviously not ideal (and, IMO, not sustainable).

Just looking at rates, looks like he's out of the zone a little more often than most (48.5% vs. about 50% average). His first pitch strike rates are also a little down (57 vs. 59). Guys do tend to swing at him a little more than average (48 vs. 46) and when they do, they tend to make more contact (82% vs 80%).

It seems to be a combination of things. He's not terribly good at fooling batters (slightly below average at getting guys to chase), not good at getting them to miss and not good at getting into favorable counts. He doesn't appear to be all over the place, but his contact rates don't profile as someone that would dominate even if he pounded the zone.

It could be that the low-quality breaking ball has him nibbling because he knows he can't attack guys and get them out (thus hurting his control numbers) or it could be that his command gets him into hitters counts where hitters know they can sit on a single pitch and drive it.

I tell ya, looking at his Pitch F/X it looks like about what I thought I saw w/r/t to his changeup - the thing doesn't drop at all. It's damn hard to fool guys with your change on just velocity alone. If you're doing that with no drop, you need a solid 10 mph of separation. He's sitting right at that mark and that's why it's rating average, but I really do think it'd be interesting to see him experiment with a split change to neutralize righties better.

Adding to that, nothing he throws fades to a RH. FB/CH/Curve are all straight or come in to a right handed batter. As you've said, he doesn't really have an out pitch, so when he gets ahead, it's hard for him to consistently put guys away. He could do it if he had pristine location, but that's not the case. His curve is the big breaker, so he can sometimes get guys to chase when it starts in the zone and finishes back foot, but if he misses that by 2 inches, it's in the left field seats.

SPchief 12-07-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 11936745)
@McCulloughStar: BREAKING: Ned Yost says Rusty Kuntz will be the team's first-base coach again in 2016.

Kuntz won't retire until every last strand of that glorious hair has fallen off.

Sure-Oz 12-07-2015 05:07 PM

@FlannyMLB: Chris Young's deal with #Royals -- $4.25M in '16, $5.75M in '17 and $8M mutual option in '18 with $1.5M buyout. Roster bonuses $250K


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