Could you be more fairweathered?

It took Alex Smith 1.5 seasons to win 6 games, Geno less than a full season.

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Sure. Geno isn't on that level yet, but they are similar players. Both asked to carry sub par supporting cast on offense by making big plays, although as bad as Cam's weapons are I think they are superior to the Jets.

Alex Smith also played on a far worse team than Geno does. Right now the Jets are actually worse because of Geno.

Against the Raiders. Lets keep it in context here.

2 TD's total including 5 rushed for 50 yards. A very solid game today, but with a rookie there are going to be ups and downs especially one with such an inferior supporting cast. We are seeing similar problems with RG3 this year and everyone was on his nuts, including myself last year. Most fans don't have the patience to develop young guys which is why fans in Washington were already wanting to see what Cousins could do and why the Chiefs never try to develop there on guy. This thread is living proof.

How did Alex do against the Raiders?

Clay, you're like an untrained puppy.

Didn't need to do much. Hell he didn't put up great fantasy numbers against Washington today. Did he have a bad game?

you wear it well. hell you and clay practically wait on it every game.

14 for 31 (45.2%) 0 TD's 0 Ints 3 sacks.

there

When Geno plays decent Clay and his trusty sidekick Big Cat Daddy are going to pimp him all day. When he plays poorly they will be mysteriously silent or deflect it to talking about Alex Smith. It's their thing.

how insecure do you have to be to wait on a Jets Qb to play well to "stick it" to Chiefs fans?

it's not even about football, it's about them.

No, but his best games have been in the 3 losses IMO.

Nah. When he sucks he sucks, but I think that's part of being a rookie QB. There will be some ups and some stinkers. But continue with your imaginary argument.

I've like what I've seen from Smith that last 4 games though. Today was sort of a weird day with all the returns, but I was more impressed in the 3 losses than the 10 wins.

And these losses are Alex Smith's fault how?

Who said they were? I said those were his best games.

Unlike most of the people in this thread it's not all or nothing on these guys for me. There is some fluidity and shades of gray with players.

It's not an imaginary argument. In spite of the fact no one in the first round took Geno, and he has generally stunk up the joint and been one of the worst starting QBs in the league, you and Clay continue to drive the Geno train. You two are conducting the Geno Amtrak. Everyone but you two and SDH has bailed on it yet you continue to conduct it.

Hey Clay, our bet is going to be close. Alex only needs 7 more passing TD's and he has 3 games.

You should be thankful that he didn't play a lot of the 2nd half. He could have easily had 1 or 2 more.

He has proven ability to run and throw. It takes some time to become a good QB in this league. You would have to be a real dumbass to write off someone with his ability after 13 games. He may never make it, but people that write him off this early have an agenda.

Considering how much you dislike him I would have figured. Amazing that his "worst" games stats wise have been wins and his best have been losses. When the defense steps up he does less. When our defense fails he elevates his game.

Hey, lets play " how bad was Alex Smith as a rookie."

I'll start.

He ended the year with a 40.2 quarterback rating.

That's not for one bad game that was a 40 rating, that was his season rating.

Not writing him off at all, but maybe, just maybe he is not as good as previously thought. Maybe the Chiefs were right in not taking him #1 overall.

He was also on a far worse team than Geno.

My mind can be changed unlike others in this thread that won't acknowledge a solid showing by Geno.

However, your statement is bullshit. I highly doubt that they want to have games decided by 1 possession if they could have games similar to today, especially with Andy Reid coaching. They weren't attempting to dial it back and not move the ball and scored points LMAO

Sums it up nicely

So a light switch suddenly went on with him? I doubt that. I blame playcalling in the first nine games more than Alex Smith playing like crap.

Well, they also took out the shit on the line. Regardless they weren't not trying to score LMAO

Hard to succeed when your starting are WRs Brandon Lloyd and Arnaz Battle and TE Billy Bajema.

I agree with you on this. I think they finally realized what the problem was and it was not the guy under center.

Who are the great receivers geno is playing with?

Alex Smith doesn't win if the other team puts up points. It's just the way it is.

His backs were Frank Gore and Kevin Barlow.

His receivers were Brandon Lloyd, Jonnie Morton and Arnaz Battle. Th previous year in KC, Morton had 800 yards receiving at 14.5 per catch. Lloyd had 700 yards.

I'd take that group over what NY currently has.

I mean shit, the guy had a running game and there was enough talent at receiver to move the offense.

I'm not nessesarily defending Geno or slamming Alex with that, either. Just showing that all rookie quarterbacks have their moments and its not entirely any kind of signal to their long term effectiveness.

Could be, but I'd like to see more than 3 games before I'm sold.

You do know the Jets have the 10th best running game this year right? Geno should be good most weeks with that.

Holmes and Winslow are better then what Alex had to work with

Those guys are washed up bums.

Eric Fisher

There is no room for objectivity around here. Alex is the awesome and Geno is the fail.

LMAO That's funny shit.

Yet still better then Arnaz Battle, Brandon Lloyd

Oh yeah. Leaps and bounds. :LOL: tards

Right so we will blame him for the three losses then. Fair?

Objectivity? Geno has a decent game and you proclaim him the next Cam Newton? Very objective especially considering you have been pro Geno since pre draft.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...5/arnaz-battle

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...antonio-holmes

Battle sure is better then Holmes

Look at the poster. He's a Geno Ballwasher.

LMAO Yeah, that's exactly what I said. How objective of you.

Totally agree. He absolutely has had more than a couple moments when it was embarrassing...but he has also had moments where he showed top shell potential.

Rookie.

The kid runs a murderers row of defenses to finish the year, how he handles that stretch will say a lot about him as a player going forward.

Holmes isn't shit, hasn't been for a long, long time.

Lloyd and Holmes are about the same guy. Both had 1 good year and a bunch of mediocre to shit years.

you haters sure are obsessed

From his Xbox fanboi posts, to his criticisms of Alex Smith, if New World Order told me the tooth fairy was fake, I'd be 100% convinced it was actually real.

Lloyd only played with Alex in his rookie year when he didn't even play the whole season. Also, this is Lloyd when he was with the 49ers:

http://i.imgur.com/tQ2KNYV.gif

Ok...so his ceiling is Alex Smith. I'd rather have Alex Smith now, than a guy who we'll have to wait to develop into Alex Smith.

Morton was a 800 yard receiver the previous year.
Brandon Loyd had 700.
Arnaz Batt was a rookie, but had 1300 yards and 8tds the next two years combined.

Add those to Frank Gore and Kevin Barlow at running back and tell me again how terrible of a situation Alex was in and how good of a situation Geno is in.

BTW, if you look back before the season, NY was looked at as one of the worst teams in the NFL. They were expected to be a team drafting in the top five in the next draft. They are as talent depraved as any team in the NFL.

They are more obsessed with Clay.

I love you BossChief. Nice shooting down their propaganda with cold hard facts.

Also, comparing Battle to Holmes is like saying an apple tastes better than an orange.

Battle had Alex Smith

Holmes had prime BigBen.

Lmao really?

ROFL

that's one of the funniest gifs I've seen in awhile.

He actually ducks. Funny.

Boss must remember those players as being something far different than I remember.

Nah.

I'm just fighting fire with fire.

I'm not saying those guys were good at all. I'm just showing how they aren't as bad as what Geno is working with, is all. Or at least the two piles of shit are stacked evenly.

Or people highly over estimate what the Jets have which is hilarious because it was already pointed out they were expected to be a dumpster fire before the season, but now they have studs everywhere! LMAO In reality both of them had terrible supporting cast in their 1st seasons, but I guess we an argue which steamy pile smells better.

I'm not saying Geno's are that much better at least at wr. But Geno does have a better HC and Defense then Alex did. There WRs I would agree are about even overall though I do think Holmes is a bit better then the top weapon Alex had.

Geno sucks butt. I have new found respect for Chad Pennington though. New York is rough as a sandpaper condom **** on it's QBs.

Geno is terrible because he has thrown 20 picks and only 10tds.

Well, Alex Smith only threw 1 touchdown pass to 11 interceptions his rookie year.

So were the 2005 49ers. They were 2-14 the year before Alex.

Also Morton had 700 yards with the Chiefs when we could do anything offensively. Lloyd only had 500 yards the previous year.

At best the teams are wash. I'd still take the Jets team over the 49ers.

So we agree that both of them were/are beyond terrible their rookie seasons?

Nah. Alex Smith never had a Cam Newton like performance./ Big Cat Daddy.

Alex only completed 50.9% of his passes as a rookie.
Geno is at 54.7%

Alex had a QB rating of 40.
Geno is at 60.

Alex Smiths YPA was 5.3
Genos is 7.0

Congrats. Your first accurate post.

Geno gets more flack then he deserves because certain people made him out to be a guy who was going to walk in and be an ass kicking QB who the Chiefs were so stupid not to draft at 1.1. They hyped him up and he hasn't lived up to it. I watched this board from about the time Reid was hired I saw all the hype Geno got. Geno gets hate because of it.

I don't hate Geno. I just think he's going to be an ok starter at best in the NFL. He hasn't done anything to change my mind.

I think it's a pretty well known fact that QBs out of college these days are a lot further along than they were in 2005. In 2005 the shotgun was only ran like 25% of the time and now it's well over half of all passing downs.

I'd say Alex was terrible the whole year and didnt flash much at all while Geno has had quite a few good games while having some really terrible outings.

Alex never won offensive player of the week.

Geno has and he has played well enough at times to beat some top shelf teams, too.

So we should pick Geno up in about 8 years.

Unfortunately, I doubt he will be the starter after this year. If he is and that team is able to add a couple weapons for him...ho knows which way his career goes.

It looks like Geno broke the Jets rookie QB passing yards record for a season today with three games still left. Nice job big fella.

It will all depend on who they get to coach. I don't think the GM wants Ryan there at all. But should they get Geno better help then I agree there's no telling what he will be able to do.

I ink geno starts next year, he's the gms qb, not Rex's