They were on Sunday night baseball and they were saying that was a change up he threw to Donaldson and all of the analysts were saying he didn't do it on purpose especially with a change up

Hey, go ahead and move the goal posts if it makes you feel better. I'm not the one claiming the Royals have been perfect angels ALL SEASON.

Some of the crap that happened earlier in the season was pretty embarrassing, IMO. Especially Ventura and Herrera's antics.

I very much doubt he did, but that's when you have to put yourself in Donaldson's shoes.

A changup looks like a fastball and when it's up and in, you spin the hell out. he didn't see that ball get caught and he damn sure didn't know it was a changeup when he reacted.

MLB Network spoke directly to Cain and Volquez looking to incite, however, and made it a special note of the fact that the Royals dugout emptied immediately when Escobar got hit as though they were looking for another confrontation. That was when the Jays responded in kind.

There was no need for the benches to empty at all. If you think it was okay for Volquez to hit Donaldson in the first after Moustakas got hit yesterday (arguable, but not an unfair statement), then after Tulo gets hit, the opposing SS getting hit in the legs should not have emptied the benches. The Royals, again, caused shit that didn't need to happen by ignoring a calculus that THEY established in the first inning.

Major league players can 100% tell the difference between a change up and a fastball. I can bet you that. Moose got hit in the knee and the next game Donaldson got hit warnings were called correctly. That change up next did not mean to go near Donaldsons head. Madson hitting Tulo on a 0-2 pitch is not intentional. Sanchez hitting Esky on the knee you could clearly see that was intentional. The umpire knew the situation and handled it well. It's all about situations

I've watched the replay of the incident several times, and while there is no clear view, it looks like there were a few Jays leaving the dugout before or at the same time as the Royals. Look at the video below at the 2:11 mark.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v324498183/kc...game_pk=415218

So your claim the the dugout "emptied immediately" is more BS from you.

That's why they always hit 'em, eh? The entire purpose of a changeup is to appear to be a fastball and that's what gets hitters way the hell out in front of them. If a pitcher telegraphs them (as many of them will), then yes, the hitter notices that the pitcher's body slowed down on delivery, he hangs in and hits it. Volquez, on the other hand, has developed a nasty damn changeup. He doesn't telegraph it.

No, a changeup coming out of a pitchers hand and traveling near the hitters head is going to look like a fastball in the 1/100th of a second they have to diagnose it and decide. Combine the general nature of a changeup with the fight/flight mechanism associated with a fastball coming at your head and there is no way Donaldson knew that was a changeup when he spun out.

Tulo didn't get hit on purpose Sunday but Moose wasn't hit on purpose Saturday (unless we're back to the "all Royals HBPs are on purpose" thing). If Moose getting hit on accident on Saturday is ample justification for Donaldson getting hit on Sunday, then please tell me why Tulo getting hit on accident on Sunday is not ample justification for Escobar getting hit.

It's been incredible. Mewling ****ing bitches.

Unless there's a better view, it looks like a few Jays came out to protest and the Royals responded, albeit more dramatically.

Kind of like a lot of the Royals problems. They don't start it but overreact and look like the assholes.

Because Donaldson getting hit was to get back from Moose getting hit. Warnings are drawn and that should be that. But Donaldson thought we were coming after him. Tulo got hit on accident on a 0-2 count but why Escobar getting hit was so blatant because it was the first batter of the very next inning. He knew what he had to do

For those interested:

Mewling:

Welsh valleys slang. To drive around in a car (usually a clapped-out Escort/Nova covered in cheap spoilers and Max Power stickers) with your mates, wearing baseball hats, listening to an incredibly loud stereo, in an attempt to impress and then impregnate the local 14 year olds.

'Jon's gone mewling in his Nova. I saw him doing doughnuts in the Iceland carpark. The local chavettes seemed very impressed.'

I'm not saying Moose was hit on purpose maybe the Royals did and that why they hot Donaldson but that's that and warnings were drawn and that should of been the end of it. Batters know the difference between change ups and fastballs and the MPH on pitches.

Wasn't my claim. Wasn't from me. The MLB Network guys brought it out there and had their videos to back it. The videos they looked pretty obvious. That clip of yours shows absolutely nothing apart from the fact that yes, there were Blue Jays on the field...y'know, being as how they were actually playing the field at the time. There were also 2 coaches on the field, one going to the mound to talk to the umpire and the other going to get his pitcher.

Seriously, you're going to look at that video from the 2:10 mark and claim it vindicates you? Shit, you really are removed from reality at this point, aren't you?

I don't know if it's been posted or if you guys give a shit, but Aaron Sanchez got a 3 game suspension for that incident against the Royals.

3 games is ****ing bs. Sanchez is gonna appeal. I think he should because that's a bit harsh.

Ventura got 7 games for arguing with a batter earlier on in the season. He didn't even hit him.

So the Royals are allowed to hit Donaldson after Moose gets hit on accident.

The Jays are NOT allowed to hit Escobar after Tulo gets hit on accident.

Got it.

Of COURSE it was blatant - that's not the point. Neither side is even arguing that the pitches weren't clear purpose pitches. My question is why you believe the Royals purpose pitch was acceptable and the Jays pitch wasn't?

The warning didn't settle things nor should it have by the Royals very own calculus. Once their SS got hit on accident after the warning, the Royals SS became fair game, just as their 3b was fair game when Moose got hit.