We've got a young quarterback who is very, very talented," he said. "Like with all young quarterbacks, he's learning so much. I think you'll see him get better and better. I have a lot of confidence in Geno. When he gets better, everyone on the offense, defense and special teams will get better."

The owner seems to get it.

I do think it would be bs to judge the kid on this year. Hard to succeed with a coach that never wanted you and a team with no talent.

Geno may not be great, but he has his team with a shot at the playoffs late in the season.

Can't ask for much more than that, realistically.

For a 2 round pick, no.

For the 1.1 pick I probably would have.

And the jets are plenty talented, it's just all on defense and the offensive line.

Swallow........gulp it down and swallow

What if the Rat goes to the Jets next year? What will KC Geno fans do?

Have an additional excuse to be irrational.

Who...I really thought the owner would say that his QB sucks.

Mind****.

I agree here mostly.

The problem and why Geno gets the flack like I said is that he was made out to be some great QB that was going to come in and light up the league. And while it's true about his coaches and his WR are not great when the same is said about Alex it's called "ballwashing" then the same people want to use the very same to excuse Geno. I don't think there's anyone here who really hates Geno most just get fed up with the love certain people on here have for Geno. I'm just putting them on ignore myself. But if those people wouldn't continue to shove him down peoples throats not as many would be judging him as much.

That same owner brought in Tebow. But yeah he "gets it" SMH

Completely and unequivocally false. Ridiculous hyperbole.

First off, there may be two people who ever claimed geno was, is, or ever will be a great qb. Secondly, alex's coaches and wrs are light years better than geno's, not to mention having charles to lean on. So yeah, those excuses do not wash here.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ght=geno+smith

read this thread like I said earlier I watched this site for months before I started posting

Geno has decent run game to rely on also.

I participated in that thread for months. You obviously lack any shred of context. I'm being kind when I say you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

UUUmmm huh......Replace Smith with Geno and the Chiefs are a better team...sorry, only blind irrational haters would agree.

Let's be honest. Geno has been dog shit most of the season.

The whole argument is a ****ing LAYUP for the people that didn't want him.

And yet they STILL have to fabricate arguments.

It's hilarious.

Well Jets may not have Geno Smith at QB. He is just a rookie. Let him grow! Alex has won games for the Chiefs. Despite his not too perfect QB passer rating!

There's post in that thread saying "it's Geno or bust" but whatever

Jamaal Charles is the best back in the nfl.

Retarted much!

Geno has a good offensive coaching staff in Morningweig and David Lee. He has a very talented offensive line, and I don't see how their receivers are much different from the Chiefs'. The major difference is the running game.

Geno has more than enough to work with. It's ridiculous to judge him this early, but the same people who defend him also tend to be the ones who place a ridiculous standard for Alex Smith. That's the problem.

I would have preferred getting Geno over Alex. But right now, Alex is playing pretty good football, and Geno has a lot to prove but has shown flashes. It's amazing that anyone would make this into anything more than that.

ROFL

First of all, "it's Geno or bust" doesn't resemble "he's going to come in and light up the NFL" in any way.

Those were YOUR WORDS. And literally nobody on that thread seriously suggested that he was gonna come in and light it up. NOBODY.

Second, there wasn't a shred of objective discussion on the subject from about November on because people got sick of dealing with trolls like BlackBob and Blackmon.

But as the one douche said it's because they are butt hurt because people wanted Geno whatever the hell that meant. Something about black penii crammed down this throat :shrug:

The Geno meme would have died out a long time ago if Goatse hadn't been using it to draw attention to himself for a year

Well certainly anybody that had the audacity to think the Chiefs should draft Geno should be continuously lumped in with arguably the most infamous troll in the history of Chiefs message boards.

SO TRU


Yep, sometimes I think this place should be called Chiefs-"Claynus' Trolling Life"- Planet...Sooner or later a mod will grow a pair and ban him for being a troll regardless of the fact he can post a gif.

Jeez, all it takes is a mediocre game from Geno and this stuff gets new life.

I don't really think any one person is being pummeled over Geno besides him, and he continuously asks for it. He and CatDaddy are really the only remaining apologists.

I think the reason people have laughs at Geno's failures is because there were people browbeating everyone that he was the only choice a sane person could make at #1.

People get tired of the draftnik "you don't know shit" attitude and enjoy poking at them when it appears they don't know much more than the rest of us.

Well some of us draftniks have been right far more than we've been wrong. I've never understood why people with literally no vested interest in the conversation, especially the ones that openly admit they don't watch college football, just want to chime in so that they can say I told you so later.

This has gotten to be one of the most childish places lately.

Also known as a "Great game for Alex Smith"

Total bullshit. Most people wanted Geno or whoever Reid/Dorsey thought the best QB in the draft was. More backlash was generated at the thought of drafting a right tackle with the #1 pick and rightfully so.

It isn't about being right or not right. It's about how people like Claynus or his predecessor Mecca carry themselves.

Not much has changed since Wendy Meets A Draft Tabulator.

No one is arguing against that. But that doesn't change the fact that Geno has a good running game to rely on.

Sorry man. At the time the BS started in that thread, Clay wasn't even an active participant (outside of some blatant trolling attempts). We got firebombed by a select few like BlackBob and the whole thing went season finale of dynasty.

One of the most ardent dickwads was a JAGUARS FAN. Think about that for a minute.

Duuuhhh, because that's what I said.

Keep it up dummy..... In hindsight you are one of two of the most ignorant people in the world that still believe that Geno should have been taken #1 overall. Gulp gulp!

I'd take a QB over a RT any day at #1, even if the QB bust out a few years down the road. ****, you put in a guy off the bench at the line becomes much better LMAO

How about he busts after 5 games?

Taking Fisher was a brilliant alternative!

Fishers NFL's career will outlast Genos by more than 5 years... Want to bet?

Not even close.

Morton retired the following year..that should say something. Lloyd was latter dubbed alligator arms. Arnaz finished his career as the scrub that he was. The fact that he was on the 9er roster is a sign of how bad things were.

Gore was not Gore yet...Barlow had turned into a sack of shit...I'm still baffled as to why..unless it was because of Hearst leaving...and they shared some carries with Hicks...who became a special teams only player.

Also keep in mind that Alex only got put in after the Starter went 1-3 and the Nolan decided that it couldn't be any worse to start the rookie. For the most part he was right.

The talent of the team had been absolutely decimated..and the players that were there were badly coached both that year and the preceding year. To give you an idea of how badly coached...when Marriuchi left the team had gone to the championship..the following year under Dickerson they went 7-9....then TO and Owens and Tai Streets..all gone before Alex was there. The pro-bowl center goes down...I think Eric Johnson got hurt in 2005 also...

There was no talent on offense..it wasn't like the defense was amazing either.

Geno didn't bust after 5 games. He was the AFC offensive player of the week in week 5, actually.

In the immediate future? Probably.

But you do have to factor age and ceiling into this equation.

If Geno reaches his ceiling, he is a guy that makes you defend 50 yards of field. Every yard. Sideline to sideline. He OBVIOUSLY isn't near is ceiling, though and will take a lot of work to get there. The light at the end of the tunnel here is the kid just turned 23 years old in October. Plenty of time to coach him up and try to get that potential realized while adding weapons around him to help him get there. Every single NFL quarterback needs a playmaker or two to lean on in games. Geno has nobody.

With Alex Smiths ceiling, he makes you defend 25-30 yards but is very effective in those areas. He is very reluctant to throw outside the numbers and past 20 yards (but has shown visible improvement in these areas recently.)

I will ALWAYS contend that trading for a guy like Alex Smith and doubling down by drafting a quarterback with a high pick would have been a better usage than drafting a franchise right tackle with that pick.

Replace Rex Ryan with Andy Reid and Geno would be better.
Replace his receivers with ours and he would be better.
Replace their running game with ours and he would be better.
Replace his special teams with ours and he would be better.
Replace his defense with ours and he would get more possessions.
Give Geno 1-2 years to sit behind a real pro in Alex Smith ad he would be better equipped to play when called upon.

Watch out he'll leave you negative rep after he bitched about people being butt hurt leaving him negative rep LOL

Chiefs fans always set the bar so high.

Not a fan of fisher pick at all. Did not want a QB at 1.1 from this class either. Just a stud playmaker.

Listen to yourself. You already know the truth.

The problem with this is that to get Geno they would have had to taken him at 1.1. QBs taken today at 1.1 don't sit anymore. It just doesn't happen the way teams go these days.

Off topic, but BossChief, time to change your avatar and sig? :)

Assuming that the rest if the timeline held up, they had already given up two 2's for Alex.

If they had taken Geno they most certainly could have sat him for the first year and justified it.

That being said, I doubt anybody in today's NFL gives up two 2's and the first overall for QBs in the same season.

Fisher sucks and Geno sucks. The 2013 draft was the worst draft in a decade.

Sure looks like it, doesn't it?

It's fitting that it's the one draft that the Chiefs had the best draft picks in :LOL:

Off topic talk about Fisher.

Wait till offseason. He clearly doesn't have the muscle to play with the pros right now, and he had no technique early on in the season. He's slowly getting better as we go, but the key word is "slowly", which is why there's an abundance of hate for the guy.

Let me put it this way. Who here seriously expected us to be 10-3 right now? Seriously. If it wasn't for the fact we've been winning, Fisher wouldn't be under a magnifying glass like he is. It takes time, that's how it is.

It's not week five any more.

They might have been able to pull it off I guess. But you're right I don't see any team ever trading that much to get a QB then drafting one in the first round at any point. I just wouldn't happen.

And that was the year the Chiefs get the first pick SMH

With the whole sit Geno for a few years theory, don't see why that can't be the plan with Bray.

Just an excuse to use if your draft pick sucks, oh its a shitty draft. A GM worth a shit would get a stud.

Alex is a real pro. Nobody is trying to take that away from him. He works hard, studies a lot of tape, is athletic and smart enough to be an average starter in this league...but that's where it probably ends. Regardless of how much we don't want that to be true. He is a game manager, but a good one.

Alex is a guy that doesn't make many mistakes because he does all the little things. All those little things are what Geno is missing right now. Give him 2 years to learn those things and who knows where he would be.

I'm honoring a bet I made last year. I've been in McClusters corner, actually.

I lost a bet last year that Jamaal wouldn't get 300 touches in the year coming off acl and the team having signed Hillis.

I'll have to see what point Jamaal got the 300th touch, but it's gotta be coming up next week or the week after.

Wait, so you disagree that the 2013 was the worst draft in a decade? Which draft was worse?

Or a difference maker. Tayvon Austin is a guy that can win you a game on his own. That's much more valuable than a shitty RT, but that required thinking outside the box.

Also known as crappy thinking.

Tripe

I think Alex can be above average a bit if he's in the right system with the right supporting cast. But in no way can he be elite it just won't happen but he is a guy who doesn't lose the game for you like we saw over the past few seasons. Right now Geno's losing games for his team. He's going to have to make some adjustments and that's something you don't know if a QB can do until he does it

Refocus bro....this thread is about your love of Geno.

Why not? They took a project right tackle at 1.1. What's the difference? Anyway, that's the situation Aaron Rodgers was drafted into and it worked out pretty well for GB.

Also, if they don't want to take a guy at 1, trade down. We were already talking to Miami about Albert at that time and they traded up in the draft with Oakland from 12 to 3....gave up a second to move up...if they gave that much up to move up to 3, one would have to think they would give up the same to move to 1 instead of 3 being the slotted contracts are basically similar. Move down to 12 and take bpa while recouping tat second we gave up to get Alex Smith.

They basically came out and said they think Eric Fisher is the best player in the draft.

A generational talent.

I hope they Ed up being right, but the early returns aren't exactly confidence inspiring.

Yeah, go see if the Rams want to make that trade now.

That's pointless to discuss in week 14, year 1.

You talk as if Austin is just destroying. He's doing alright.

Fisher started game 1 and every other game until he got hurt. 1.1 picks these days start day 1 for the most part. I can't remember the last guy drafted 1.1 that didn't start. It's just how the NFL has gone.

The trade down thing is a thought I guess they could have done that. But in a very weak draft it was more difficult to do. But they could have found a way.

Fisher was god awful at the start of the season but IMO he has improved some. That's not saying a lot but at least he's improving

Sure, tell Luck and RGIII that last year at this time.

It is the plan with Bray.

But seeing as he was undrafted, it's unlikely he will ever get a real shot.

A lot of really good GMs did poorly in this past draft. It wasn't a good year to be picking top 15. There really isn't a "stud" among them.

He's quite a bit better than Fisher and at a position that can actually directly influence the outcome of a game...

Brays ceiling isn't close to that of Geno Smith, though.

At this point, Bray has a cannon and not much else. He displayed poor pocket awareness, poor ball security, poor ability to read even vanilla defenses and most of his passes lacked touch or accuracy.

Add to that, he is basically a statue back there.

Geno can throw for 300 and run for another 50-75. Those rushing yards are huge when defenses want to run strict man coverage.

No one would trade for the 1 pick. Please acknowledge that as a fact.

Unless you've got one of those rare guys with a Brees/Brady release, your QB better be able to run.

It's the best part of Alex's game and we wouldn't be 10-3 without it.

Especially not in last year's draft.