Which of those things has Geno shown he's good at in the NFL?

But Miami did trade for 3rd overall, right?

You don't make sense.

Nobody was gonna get full value in a trade, but you can't tell me Miami wouldn't have moved to 1 for the same compensation they gave up to go to 3.

Give me Kenny Vaccaro, Sheldon Richardson, Star Loteuleiuoesddt, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Eric Reid, or any of a few others and a second rounder over Eric Fisher.

Shit if what we wanted was a right tackle, how about DJ Fluker and a second rounder for Eric Fisher?

And you figured that out by dissecting Brays preseason snaps? Holy smokes I had no idea we were in the presence of a genious.

How the F did you you get all this from your limited exposure to Bray?

Did you not watch preseason?

How many fumbles did he have? How many times did people liken his short game to Brodie Croyle because he was throwing lasers everywhere? How many picks did he throw? How many times did he stare guys down?

It doesn't take a genious (cp spelling) to see these things during preseason.

He's won one game for the Rams and has been invisible all year outside of that.

Fisher blows. I agree. If I could redraft, I'd take Sheldon Richardson.

That must be what he meant. Austin can win you A game.

I still think Fisher is improving. He's played a lot better the 2nd half of the season. You can see his potential talent. Not sure he was really worthy of the #1 pick but so far this draft doesn't look like the strongest. Of course the Chiefs would get the first pick in a weak year.

Geno was a better prospect than Bray. Bray was just a raw arm... he still pretty much is. That said Geno's strength was accuracy and his accuracy has been terrible, so there's that.

Or Vaccaro.

Or Mingo

I am waiting for the answers. It is your argument. I think Bray has more potential than Geno.

What other answers do you need, specifically?

Geno is MUCH better as a passer and has plus mobility. Their ceilings aren't comparable.

Have you noticed that Geno's stats don't reflect a thing that you are saying? Don't believe my lying eyes? LOL

He is an inconsistent rookie, but it's not like he hasn't flashed the ability to be a good player.

63% 256 1-1 in first game
331 2:2 and a rushing td against Buffalo
80% 200 yards 3td 0 int against Atlanta
233 1:1 and a rushing td against New England (and a player of the week award)
64% 219 1:1 and a rushing td against Oakland

The kid has been impressive in some weeks, the trouble is that he comes back the next wee and looks so bad he makes you forget he was ever good.

That is Cherry Picking at it's finest. Good lord.

Thanks for the effort though.

It's cherry picking to show his stats from his teams wins?

He is a rookie, consistency is a rarity among rookies.

Last year made people forget that.

What you want to see is flashing of the players upside...things to build on. You also want to see mistakes so you can formulate a game plan based on his strengths and weaknesses. Geno has shown that he can perform at a high level if put into position to do so. Even with a talentless team.

9 TD's, 20 INT's, 55% for completions. Those are turrible numbers for a QB, rookie or otherwise.

Please explain.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm taking Kiko Alonso 1 overall if we are re-drafting.

He's going to be a top 5 MLB for the next 10 years in the NFL.

No doubt...but lets also factor in his 4 rushing touchdowns to be fair.

13 scoring td scoring plays, 20 throws that ended in turnovers.

I was gonna list him with Vaccaro and Mingo, but didnt want to hear the whole "yeah, they should reach a full round dummy" responses.

Vaccaro would be magical in this defense.

Are you really going to try and compare him to Luck and RG III? REALLY?

I have a small task for you.

Without including guys drafted in 2012, list the quarterbacks that won 6 or more games as rookies.

See ya in a little bit.

Let me get this right....not Geno..right?

Yeah, cause I've done that.

OK, cool. Goodnight.

No Luck or RG III.... I see what you did there, sorry I am way to lazy right now.

Here is the post that was refuted, I even bolded the part you bolded.

My point is that winning 6 or 7 games as a rookie is a fairly significant accomplishment.

No dumb ass, you need to convince me and the world that Geno is going to be better than average.

He had 1 int and 2 fumbles. Geno had 3 INTs in preseason...

that's just the bottom of the league for defenses right there. Not one defense you named is in the top 20 id bet without looking it up.

DISCLAIMER: PRESEASON STATS

Bray
21-40 passing. 222 yards. 2 fumbles and a pick.

Is that better than what Geno is giving NY?

For some reason I thought he turned the ball over more.

One thing goes without question. ..if Geno doesn't clean up the turnovers, he won't keep getting chances to. That's gotta come first. He has been doing a better job of keeping the ball high while reading the defense, but he still has a ways to go in terms of identifying coverages. That's to be expected and he is hopefully learning so when he sees it the next time, he knows how to capitalize.

Thats pretty cool how you left off the 3 TDs.

All your stats of Geno's good games did, was highlight exactly what people who didn't think he was a franchise qb said.

He feasted on weaker competition, but any time he faced a true defense he failed. Just go back and watch the Kstate WVU game last year.

Its been proven this year.

Oakland is horrid on defense. Bills? Pats? Falcons? Those are god awful defenses.

He may turn out to be a good one. But, a leopard has a hard time changing his spots.

Fair enough.....good luck chocolate prince.

Scoring defenses:

Patriots are 10th
Bucs are 11th

The rest are garbage.

I'm typing on this pos loaner phone. I thought I did. Wasnt intentional.

I saw that pats d today. But, I get your point.

Just saying in general that he has not played well against strong defenses.

Was the buccs game the week one game where he was saved by the personal foul?

I noticed that too, he's already known for being sneaky though.

Yes

One of these guys may have only 5 but off the top:
-Vince Young
-Sam Bradford
-Joe Flacco
-Andy Dalton
-Matt Ryan
-Ben Rothlisberger
-Dan Marino
-Cam Newton

No one gonna mention Mark Sanchez?

You know what's funnier than people arguing about Geno?

People clinging to hope that Bray will ever be anything.

Yup.

Can't, you never take a MLB #1 overall./ CP Draft gurus.

the Chiefs threw the draft value chart out the window, we didn't.

In an ideal world, you wouldn't take a MLB 1st overall. But you wouldn't take a RT either.

Agreed. I am not happy with the Fisher pick, but I do not think he was drafted to be a long term solution at RT. I think he is only playing there right now because he is raw and the Chiefs could not unload Albert before the draft.

And here we are again.

After the year he's had, we're just going to pencil him in at LT because "that's the plan?"

I'd rather see them keep it just like it was yesterday.

Agreed. Stephenson has been the superior player this year. Keep him at LT, let Albert walk and use that money to help with the WR core.

No way in hell we can afford to let Albert walk...

While we need WR help, I think it's painfully apparent we also need DB help in several places.

So we're going to need all the free money we can get.

What are we going to do, franchise him again?

Agreed, but I think you'll get better production in 14 if you go FA/Trade WR and draft a CB.

Totally agree.

I think you can better follow current trends (I think we need to keep focusing on long, athletic DBs) doing it that way as well.

The reason why Donald Stephenson looks better than Eric Fisher right now is because he's been in the NFL longer. He has experienced a real NFL offseason to get stronger.

Eric Fisher has slowly gotten better and it's very noticeable. He did a very respectable job against JJ Watt aside from one play and he did a great job on Von Miller for the most part.

If there is anyone struggling on the OL right now it's Rodney Hudson. The guy is just not big or strong enough to compete against good DT's/NT's.

The biggest reasons why Eric Fisher has struggled this year are because:

1. He's not strong enough.
2. He switched to RT at a pro level after playing LT recently in college.
3. His technique needed work.

Literally all of this is correctable with an offseason of change. Lest you forget that Dontari Poe was not that great of a rookie and now look at him? He went through a rigorous NFL offseason and worked on his diet, technique and fundamentals and it paid off big time. I expect to see the same in Fisher next year. He has ALL of the tools to be a very good LT.

Regardless, I think we are set at T. Let them compete for the LT job and the loser should be okay at RT.

Fisher was always going to be a multiyear project. If they wanted the one who was supposed to contribute immediately, they'd have taken Joeckel. You don't take someone that high unless you see them becoming a franchise LT, and I'm sure that Reid and Dorsey still feel like he is.

It's pretty obvious that he's improving when even on Chiefs Planet, where he's about as popular as Osama Bin Laden, the bitching about Fisher has largely stopped.

I think he's going to be fine.

I'll buy that.

who were the guys bumping this thread?

Well, yeah. Great analogy.

I remember in his first game, Joe Thomas gave up 4 sacks.

Anthony Davis for his first two years got TORCHED, as did Joe Staley.

Its not a perfect thing. Draft rookie, insert rookie, VOILA, SUCCESS.

To be fair Geno had a lot of bad weeks.

Good Weeks - Geno lovers bump
Bad weeks - Geno haters bump

Get used to the idea.

Yup. He is probably done as a chief. Sad but true.

Hope we don't let Schwartz walk. Strangely, he appears to be the anchor of the line.

bullshit.


haters are the ones obsessed

Where are you getting the cap room to fit what he wants under the cap? Next year is gonna be a ugly off-season not much room.

Obsessed with Clay

Maybe because all Off-season we had to listen to the Geno crap. If you disagreed with them you got dogged.

I honestly don't see any logical way for him to stay with the Chiefs next year. We can't afford to give him a new contract and we can't afford to tag him.

People who enjoy seeing Claynus proved wrong for the millionth time?

Point proven.

I'm not wrong on Geno until he shows 0 improvement next year.

The kid needs to step up his ball security if he wants to have any chance at playing postseason games. He faces an absolute murderers row to finish the year.

@Carolina
Cleveland
@Miami

If he steps his game up and effectively protects the ball, he has a chance. If he doesn't, he is gonna have little to no chance of keeping his job next year.

I think murderes row is a bit of an overstatement. Those are some good teams but all very beatable

any one who could actually form a reason for their beliefs weren't dogged.

others were. of course.

I was asking about the defenses he will face.

The Panthers and Browns defenses are elite units in this league. Miamis defense is pretty good, too.

Carolina's defense is 2nd
Cleveland's defense is 7th
Miamis is 16th

In scoring..

Carolina's defense is 1st
Miamis is 9th
Cleveland's is 19th.

The kid needs to show the ability to rise to the occasion.

It wasn't all about Geno. It was just the 2013 offseason version of

Draft your quarterback - trade/sign a vet

A discussion this fanbase has been asking about since the beginning of time.

The Geno crew always said we would have taken ANY R1 QB. Geno just happened to be the flavor of the offseason.

Except Landry Jones.