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ChiefMojo 02-09-2013 10:43 AM

I've watch plenty of tape on all of the top QB's and one thing that stands out to me about Barkley is that his footwork in the pocket for a WCO offense is a VERY GOOD. Even when the pocket is breaking down, he does a good job of checking down to his alternate route.

The main weakness for Barkley imo is the fact he tries to force things when stuff isn't there. If coachable, he can correct many of those issues in the NFL.

The WCO offense is so much dictated on accuracy and timing. Where Barkley gets into trouble is not the initial pressure, but when he goes through his progressions and doesn't find someone... that is when he forces things. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball better but from what I've watched on his film. He was worse doing this as a senior, compared to as a junior. I think much of that has to do with his offensive line protection and trying to do to much.

Take in mind I've never been a big Barkley fan but as I've gotten into tape of Geno, Wilson, Nassib, Barkley and Dysert (have not watched much of Glennon as he doesn't fit our offense), I've found that Barkley does hold many traits that could allow him to succeed very early in the NFL... even moreso than many of the QB's in this draft due to his knowledge of the WCO.

I'll say this, being a great athlete in the WCO isn't as important as some of the other offensive systems. Having the proper footwork, accuracy, knowing your progressions, timing and being cool under pressure is the key to being successful in the WCO... case in point why Joe Montana was so great.

If one studies up on the WCO and then applies it to this years draft class, you can understand why Barkley is a very strong possibility to be drafted by KC even if it may not be the #1 pick.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-11-2013 11:04 AM

Matt Barkley calls the Combine “the biggest test of my life”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2013, 7:01 AM EST
Barkley Getty Images

Matt Barkley was viewed in some circles as the likely first overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft before his senior season at USC. But that season was a disappointment, and now many people don’t think he’s a first-round pick at all.

Barkley says he needs to prove those people wrong at the Scouting Combine.

“This is probably the biggest test of my life coming up,” Barkley told the Pensacola News Journal. “This is like the SAT times thousands. I hear the whole couple days is a grind. But I am looking forward to that challenge. I am excited about it.”

After a great junior season in which he passed for 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions, Barkley announced that he would return for his senior year and instantly became the frontrunner for the first overall pick in 2013, as well as the Heisman Trophy and the national championship. Instead, Barkley’s touchdowns declined to 36 while his interceptions more than doubled to 15, he hurt his shoulder at the end of the year and USC finished 7-6.

“It was tough in some circumstances, but I did have some great moments … some moments I will cherish,” Barkley said. “We had some unfortunate losses that put a damper on the year. But the experiences I accumulated these last couple months have prepared me better to go into the NFL right now as opposed to last year. So I wouldn’t trade it.”

Barkley says his shoulder injury has healed well enough that he can throw and will do everything at the Combine. Passing that test would go a long way toward erasing the disappointment of his senior season.

Titty Meat 02-11-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9389029)
Brees is the guy that I've compared Barkley to.
Like Brees, Barkley is going to have to make his money with outstanding accuracy and anticipation.

I think he has the football IQ to do that.

I see what youre saying but I think Brees has a better arm and that makes a huge difference.

Canofbier 02-11-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9393601)
Matt Barkley calls the Combine “the biggest test of my life”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2013, 7:01 AM EST
Barkley Getty Images

Matt Barkley was viewed in some circles as the likely first overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft before his senior season at USC. But that season was a disappointment, and now many people don’t think he’s a first-round pick at all.

Barkley says he needs to prove those people wrong at the Scouting Combine.

“This is probably the biggest test of my life coming up,” Barkley told the Pensacola News Journal. “This is like the SAT times thousands. I hear the whole couple days is a grind. But I am looking forward to that challenge. I am excited about it.”

After a great junior season in which he passed for 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions, Barkley announced that he would return for his senior year and instantly became the frontrunner for the first overall pick in 2013, as well as the Heisman Trophy and the national championship. Instead, Barkley’s touchdowns declined to 36 while his interceptions more than doubled to 15, he hurt his shoulder at the end of the year and USC finished 7-6.

“It was tough in some circumstances, but I did have some great moments … some moments I will cherish,” Barkley said. “We had some unfortunate losses that put a damper on the year. But the experiences I accumulated these last couple months have prepared me better to go into the NFL right now as opposed to last year. So I wouldn’t trade it.”

Barkley says his shoulder injury has healed well enough that he can throw and will do everything at the Combine. Passing that test would go a long way toward erasing the disappointment of his senior season.

Glad to hear the bold part. Geno is still my favorite, but if Barkley does well at the Combine and the Chiefs like him, I'd be happy with him as our QB. He's not the most impressive physical specimen, but he's intelligent and hard-working, and his intangibles are great. Accuracy and anticipation are very important in the NFL, and I think Barkley's arm strength is good enough. Unless he ends up on a division rival team, I'll be rooting for the guy - it's time for the USC bust streak to end.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-15-2013 03:22 PM

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

Mel Kiper's latest draft-eligible QB ranks: 1) Matt Barkley 2) Geno Smith 3) Mike Glennon 4) Tyler Wilson 5) Tyler Bray. (No Nassib/Manuel.)

B14ckmon 02-16-2013 02:01 PM

FYI

Matt Barkley posts on Reddit and he submitted a Harlem Shake video that the guys at IMG did;

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments..._harlem_shake/

milkman 02-16-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9393630)
I see what youre saying but I think Brees has a better arm and that makes a huge difference.

Brees' arm strength coming out was worse than Barkley's.

He did some specific drills to improve his arm after his 2nd season in the league.

He talked about those drills extensively with the morning guys on XTRA Sports out of San Diego.

His weak arm was the main reason I didn't want him when he was drafted.

htismaqe 02-16-2013 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9389112)
I've watch plenty of tape on all of the top QB's and one thing that stands out to me about Barkley is that his footwork in the pocket for a WCO offense is a VERY GOOD. Even when the pocket is breaking down, he does a good job of checking down to his alternate route.

The main weakness for Barkley imo is the fact he tries to force things when stuff isn't there. If coachable, he can correct many of those issues in the NFL.

The WCO offense is so much dictated on accuracy and timing. Where Barkley gets into trouble is not the initial pressure, but when he goes through his progressions and doesn't find someone... that is when he forces things. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball better but from what I've watched on his film. He was worse doing this as a senior, compared to as a junior. I think much of that has to do with his offensive line protection and trying to do to much.

Take in mind I've never been a big Barkley fan but as I've gotten into tape of Geno, Wilson, Nassib, Barkley and Dysert (have not watched much of Glennon as he doesn't fit our offense), I've found that Barkley does hold many traits that could allow him to succeed very early in the NFL... even moreso than many of the QB's in this draft due to his knowledge of the WCO.

I'll say this, being a great athlete in the WCO isn't as important as some of the other offensive systems. Having the proper footwork, accuracy, knowing your progressions, timing and being cool under pressure is the key to being successful in the WCO... case in point why Joe Montana was so great.

If one studies up on the WCO and then applies it to this years draft class, you can understand why Barkley is a very strong possibility to be drafted by KC even if it may not be the #1 pick.

Just remember that the way Andy Reid runs the WCO and the way some others do is pretty different.

Reid likes guys with mobility and he likes to take the top off the defense. In no way does this mean Barkley isn't a fit at all but this isn't necessarily the PERFECT fit.

htismaqe 02-16-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9407458)
His weak arm was the main reason I didn't want him when he was drafted.

His weak arm plagued pretty much the whole time In SDG as well.

I remember having arguments about him here up until he got hurt. His AYPA was HORRIBLE, worse than Cassel's and Quinn's combined.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-16-2013 03:01 PM

Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

silver5liter 02-16-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407552)
Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

We will see if Barkley even throws

htismaqe 02-16-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407552)
Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

It won't end.

Anybody that's watched him play knows he doesn't have a "weak" arm.

Is his arm as strong as Glennon or Bray's, or Geno's, or even Wilson's? No.

But it's hardly weak.

For the people that still think he has a "weak" arm at this point, no amount of evidence is going to the change their mind.

milkman 02-16-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9407573)
It won't end.

Anybody that's watched him play knows he doesn't have a "weak" arm.

Is his arm as strong as Glennon or Bray's, or Geno's, or even Wilson's? No.

But it's hardly weak.

For the people that still think he has a "weak" arm at this point, no amount of evidence is going to the change their mind.

It's average arm.

Not going to wow you, but he won't remid you of Pennigton.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-16-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9407571)
We will see if Barkley even throws

He said he's already throwing

milkman 02-16-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407596)
He said he's already throwing

Kind of stupid.

No one else is in Indy yet.


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