That's just conjecture because no one knows whether or not Charles would have been able to stay healthy (which he hasn't), neither could Holmes, which is why he went undrafted (although the 2002 injury was caused by a horse collar).

Also, let's knock of this "it was the LINE!" as the sole reason why Holmes excelled in KC and Baltimore.

Yes, the Chiefs had a great offensive line from 2002-2004 but they didn't block the d-lineman, then the linebackers then the safeties. They opened holes for Holmes but he still had to outthink and out run defenders.

It's pretty much a trend around here that the older guys tend to favor Holmes while the younger guys favor Charles. It's understandable but both were fantastic running backs, when healthy.

I agree that Watt is elite and deserving of the HOF right now. I was simply busting your chops because of the wording you used in your listing of elite criteria. :D

Dont get me wrong..Holmes was a total bad-ass. Charles is just better....I'm trusting my lying eyes on that.

I prefer Holmes running style to Charles but it's really a silly argument because both have been phenomenal Chiefs running backs.

It would be nice to see Charles return to form and have three more successful seasons so that he's at least in the HOF conversation. As it stands, his numbers are far short and if longevity wasn't an issue, Terrell Davis would be in the HOF (and IMO, rightfully so).

:D All good

I can live with the idea that, even when Peters messes up, you have to be perfect to take advantage.

So is Joe Flacco elite?

I'd imagine this is for Dane but f******* no.

Regarding the Emmitt Smith debate, his best attributes were...

1) he was flat out tough

2) anticipation/vision

3) durability/longevity

I forget who they were playing, but he played at least a full half of football with a broken collarbone... with his physical style of play, that is the definition GRITTY AND TOUGH, it was unheard of

But there is certainly plenty of merit to the arguments that point out the teams he played on, they were dominant at every offensive position, a perennial All Madden unit... and yes, the line he enjoyed through the years was always top shelf and often the very best in the league

He was great, no question... but truly deserving of GOAT? I dont care what the record book says... no way

If Jammal Charles had played for a team like that through his career, his YPC and yards would be absolutely stupid

And if Barry Sanders had played for them, forget it... no one would ever beat his records, period. That poor guy got ****ed so bad on the Lions, cant blame him a bit for retiring early

Davis? Oh hell no! No chance in hell he is one of the best ever. Straight line runner that had a great OL. He was not all that great.

So Dee Ford said it was nice to "knock off some rust" in his interview today...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Rust? Seriously? I didn't see him knock anything off in preseason game #1. The kid doesn't even TALK a good game.

LMAO

Q: How do you feel after that first preseason game?

FORD: "It feels good to go out and knock some rust off - by rust I mean actual game experience. It's one thing going at practice and going up against the same guys - pretty much every day and especially in preseason. You don't game plan - you just go out and play. It was good to knock some rust off and get out there and fly around."

Holy shit you guys are blowing every little thing this guy does/says out or proportion. Nothing wrong with that quote.