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Hammock Parties 06-28-2015 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570506)
When they begin losing talent, we'll see what kind of QB Wilson is.
This is absurd, because we've already pointed out his offensive weapons have been pedestrian for the most part.

The dude is absolutely going to start blowing up this year. I mean, you know, other than already being 75% of his team's offense.

Easy 6 06-28-2015 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11570485)
My worthless opinion is that there are only a couple of QBs that would be accomplishing what Wilson has accomplished.
Give that overall team to Ryan and people would be talking about him as future HOF.

Even dumbass Harvin would've stuck around because Matt would've stuck it on him all the time.

Its a silly debate really since no one can prove anything, but my money says Ryan with a good team is a stone killer.

BigMeatballDave 06-28-2015 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11570500)

Brady is a master of what I refer to as "pocket mobility"
He is the best at moving within the pocket to avoid pressure and making plays.
I agree, except I think Ben is better.

Easy 6 06-28-2015 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11570510)
I was getting to it, but you sunk my battleship with this post.
LMAO you took too long, I was figuring on an almost instantaneous smackdown.

Hammock Parties 06-28-2015 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11570513)
Give that overall team to Ryan and people would be talking about him as future HOF.

Even dumbass Harvin would've stuck around because Matt would've stuck it on him all the time.

Its a silly debate really since no one can prove anything, but my money says Ryan with a good team is a stone killer.
Matt Ryan has had more offensive talent in Atlanta than Wilson has ever had in Seattle, and it's not close.

BigMeatballDave 06-28-2015 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11570512)
This is absurd, because we've already pointed out his offensive weapons have been pedestrian for the most part.

The dude is absolutely going to start blowing up this year. I mean, you know, other than already being 75% of his team's offense.
Dream on. He couldn't even beat the Chiefs.

Hammock Parties 06-28-2015 12:51 PM
I'm guessing Wilson could be the first QB ever with 4,000 yards passing and over 500 yards rushing in a single season.

BigMeatballDave 06-28-2015 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11570516)
Matt Ryan has had more offensive talent in Atlanta than Wilson has ever had in Seattle, and it's not close.
The rebuttal to this is Marshawn Lynch.

BigMeatballDave 06-28-2015 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11570521)
I'm guessing Wilson could be the first QB ever with 4,000 yards passing and over 500 yards rushing in a single season.
How? He hasn't sniffed 4000.

milkman 06-28-2015 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570514)
I agree, except I think Ben is better.
Roethlisberger?

I don't think he has pocket mobility.
He's a big guy that can shrug off tacklers.

Brady moves his feet within the pocket to avoid contact.

It's just an insane, innate ability.

Hammock Parties 06-28-2015 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570522)
The rebuttal to this is Marshawn Lynch.
No it's not, because as has already been pointed out, Wilson makes Lynch better, and Matt Ryan has played with three 1,300+ yard rushers.

Hammock Parties 06-28-2015 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570524)
How? He hasn't sniffed 4000.
Because they have Graham now, and I'm sure Wilson's passing attempts will be going up a bit.

The only reason this guy hasn't blown up is because the Seahawks throw the ball so infrequently. With as much as he throws it down the field though, huge numbers are coming.

DaneMcCloud 06-28-2015 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11570498)
When your TD% is approaching Dan Marino's in your first three years, you are pretty special.
Marino played in an era were receivers could be mugged by QB's and still had 98 TD's in his first three seasons. Wilson has 72 in his first three seasons with a TD% a full point less than Marino's, which is huge (6.82 vs 5.82).

That's a bad comparison.

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11570498)
I don't know about HOF but this guy is definitely going down as the best Seahawks QB ever.
Duh. When Jim Zorn, Dave Krieg and Matt Hasselbeck are your main competition, it's pretty much a given that Russell Wilson will be the best Seattle QB in their history to this point.

milkman 06-28-2015 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570522)
The rebuttal to this is Marshawn Lynch.
Who averaged 3.95 ypc for his career before Wilson arrived in Seatte, and has since averaged 4.95.

His worst ypc in those 3 seasons is equal to his 2nd best season prior to that.

Bowser 06-28-2015 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11570522)
The rebuttal to this is Marshawn Lynch.
Marshawn Lynch is good, but he's not better than the combined firepower of Atlanta's playmakers.


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