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Why Not? 06-03-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13579687)
Whit may be good, but man this team sucks.

Agreed

Sure-Oz 06-03-2018 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13579698)
Burch Smith ****ing sucks

He has no future with this team. Time to GTFO

tk13 06-03-2018 02:35 PM

The Braves are having a magical season. Seems like every single day they're getting a walk off hit. Today it's Charlie Culbertson with his 2nd walk off homer in a week.

tk13 06-03-2018 02:44 PM

That's pretty nasty. Treinen throwing 99 mph with a ton of movement.

duncan_idaho 06-03-2018 03:22 PM

The a’s are set up nicely to have a good 4-5 year run. ChApman, Olson, Barrett, Fowler, Krhis Davis, Semien are a pretty good offensive core. Manaea, Montana, plenty of good arms.

Re: drafting pitchers, I think they generally have done better at maxing out stuff vs developing pitchers. Good for developing bullpen pieces, not as good for developing starters.

If they go pitcher, I’d prefer a college arm. I’m really high on Gilbert - probably my favorite college arm other than Mize - but doubt they go there.

Sure-Oz 06-03-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13579730)
The a’s are set up nicely to have a good 4-5 year run. ChApman, Olson, Barrett, Fowler, Krhis Davis, Semien are a pretty good offensive core. Manaea, Montana, plenty of good arms.

Re: drafting pitchers, I think they generally have done better at maxing out stuff vs developing pitchers. Good for developing bullpen pieces, not as good for developing starters.

If they go pitcher, I’d prefer a college arm. I’m really high on Gilbert - probably my favorite college arm other than Mize - but doubt they go there.

Looking forward to you breaking down picks since I'll have no clue

OKchiefs 06-03-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13579730)
The a’s are set up nicely to have a good 4-5 year run. ChApman, Olson, Barrett, Fowler, Krhis Davis, Semien are a pretty good offensive core. Manaea, Montana, plenty of good arms.

Re: drafting pitchers, I think they generally have done better at maxing out stuff vs developing pitchers. Good for developing bullpen pieces, not as good for developing starters.

If they go pitcher, I’d prefer a college arm. I’m really high on Gilbert - probably my favorite college arm other than Mize - but doubt they go there.

Why are they so bad at developing pitchers? I realize that it's hard for any team, but we seem exceptionally bad. Hell, the best pitcher we've developed in a long time is probably Junis, and even he is probably no better than a 3 on a good team.

siberian khatru 06-03-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13579730)
The a’s are set up nicely to have a good 4-5 year run. ChApman, Olson, Barrett, Fowler, Krhis Davis, Semien are a pretty good offensive core. Manaea, Montana, plenty of good arms.

Re: drafting pitchers, I think they generally have done better at maxing out stuff vs developing pitchers. Good for developing bullpen pieces, not as good for developing starters.

If they go pitcher, I’d prefer a college arm. I’m really high on Gilbert - probably my favorite college arm other than Mize - but doubt they go there.

FWIW — I live in DeLand and attend Stetson games, and have seen Gilbert pitch. Last year, his sophomore year, I saw him pitch one of the best games I’ve ever seen, at any level, in one of the best games I’ve ever seen in my life.

ChiefsCountry 06-03-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13579755)
Why are they so bad at developing pitchers? I realize that it's hard for any team, but we seem exceptionally bad. Hell, the best pitcher we've developed in a long time is probably Junis, and even he is probably no better than a 3 on a good team.

:rolleyes:
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/sit...?itok=n6GXYaF0

duncan_idaho 06-03-2018 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13579755)
Why are they so bad at developing pitchers? I realize that it's hard for any team, but we seem exceptionally bad. Hell, the best pitcher we've developed in a long time is probably Junis, and even he is probably no better than a 3 on a good team.


I do think they have improved over the past few years. First half of Moore’s tenure, IMO, they were too rigid in what they were trying to develop (not letting guys throw sliders even if it was their primary pitch, being very old school).

But the old-school approach they took has led to them drafting a lot of projectable arms that they can then develop and max-out as throwers, but with less emphasis on pitchability.

I don’t think they’ve been exceptionally bad - guys like Junis and Duffy and Ventura are nice products.

All indications I’ve received is that they’ve become more flexible over the past 3-4 years (Junis took off when they ditched the previous philosophy and stopped trying to turn him into a FB-curve-changeup guy). That’s a positive trend on the development side.

On the drafting side, I think they need to bet a little less on projectable Hs arms. Those are the biggest boom-bust product in the draft.

Note: I don’t consider Greyson Rodriguez or Kumar Rocker projectability guys. They’re both very advanced physically for HS guys,
Just need the polish.

Titty Meat 06-03-2018 08:44 PM

They absolutely need to draft some arms. They dont have any.

It would take an impressive haul to trade Soler.


I'm sorry but if they get a decent offer for Salvy it needs to be made.

Sure-Oz 06-03-2018 09:42 PM

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...s-rangers.html

Boston’s among the teams keeping an eye on*Royals*closer*Kelvin Herrera, according to*Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. If acquired, the 28-year-old would return to a setup role with the*Red Sox, thanks to the presence of closer*Craig Kimbrel, and would further bolster a late-game mix that also includes*Joe Kelly*and*Matt Barnes. Herrera, who’s in his last year of team control and making $7.94MM, has allowed just two earned runs and hasn’t issued a walk in 22 2/3 innings this season.

duncan_idaho 06-04-2018 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13579775)
FWIW — I live in DeLand and attend Stetson games, and have seen Gilbert pitch. Last year, his sophomore year, I saw him pitch one of the best games I’ve ever seen, at any level, in one of the best games I’ve ever seen in my life.

His stuff backed up a little bit early in the college season, which is why he's likely to be available. He was good in the Cape league last summer and likely still working through the start of his throwing program.

I think he's the best selection for them at 18 but don't expect it.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13580128)
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/...s-rangers.html

Boston’s among the teams keeping an eye on*Royals*closer*Kelvin Herrera, according to*Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. If acquired, the 28-year-old would return to a setup role with the*Red Sox, thanks to the presence of closer*Craig Kimbrel, and would further bolster a late-game mix that also includes*Joe Kelly*and*Matt Barnes. Herrera, who’s in his last year of team control and making $7.94MM, has allowed just two earned runs and hasn’t issued a walk in 22 2/3 innings this season.

That's a good team to work with. Dombrowski isn't afraid to move quality prospects for difference makers, even difference makers on 1-year deals.

The headliners of the Boston system entering 2018 - LHP Jay Groome and 3B Michael Chavis - have both seen their stock take major hits. Groome had TJ and is out until mid-2019. Chavis got busted for steroids and is just now getting ready to return from suspension.

I like Chavis a ton, but I'm not sure the Royals would still be interested at this point (They're weird like that).

OKchiefs 06-04-2018 11:58 AM

Know nothing about the players available, but Bubba Starling has ruined athletic multi-sport players for me. I'd be fine with staying away from Jordyn Adams.

duncan_idaho 06-04-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13580756)
Know nothing about the players available, but Bubba Starling has ruined athletic multi-sport players for me. I'd be fine with staying away from Jordyn Adams.

I have this sinking feeling that's what they're going to do, if he's available.

They have the bonus pool to get Adams out of his football commitment, and he's the type of dynamic, huge upside athlete they drool over in the middle of the diamond.


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