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BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-14-2023 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17167741)
How many times did you say "he was just doing his job" or "he's an elite run defender..."

Be honest.

Because some of you people just can't quit this ****ing guy.

That's all this is. Some final and desperate hope that he'll prove you right afterall.

Frank Clark ****ing sucks. He HAS always sucked and he WILL always suck. Cheap or for $25 million, the guys a lazy, unreliable, faux dawg who has somehow gotten you to buy his bullshit.

It's all he's ever been or will be.
**** you right in your AIDS infested ass. He kept his promise, and I respect people who stay true to their word:

https://youtu.be/AUWl7p13EzI?si=Y-IMtBHZ9YVWeoQu

Welcome back Frank.

KCJake 10-14-2023 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17168360)
Shefty? Huh. Ok, my bad. Thx.
I haven't seen anything, heard anything, and I still don't think it's happening.

Woogieman 10-14-2023 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17168559)
I haven't seen anything, heard anything, and I still don't think it's happening.
Agree...the timing would be odd with Omenihu coming back; we need to see what he can do. Karlaftis has a quiet game vs Minnesota, but was good against the Jets and tore Denver a new one. Every extra dollar available needs to go to a WR if possible.

-King- 10-14-2023 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17168123)
Yeah Karlaftis turned to real shit didn't he?
I don't know what that has to do with Clark. I don't think Karlaftis would have been a first round pick if he needed Clarks help to be good.

srvy 10-14-2023 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17168544)
Lmao, what is it that Shart does that fits what Spags likes to do?

Does Spags like when his DE can't play cuz he's shitting his guts out?

What about when he half asses it on every play and lays into the OT and spins in circles?

Maybe Spags likes a no talent bitch runs his mouth on the field as he's getting his ass whipped by 3rd string OTs?
Your one all mouth bitch ass pussy. You couldn't back any of the smack you rattle off.

You don't pay much attention if you don't see all those guys take plays off. If they are not they are rotating in and out.

Take some old Mexico fentanyl and a handle of wild turkey and shut your cock hole bitch ass.

ShortRoundChief 10-14-2023 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17168544)
Lmao, what is it that Shart does that fits what Spags likes to do?

Does Spags like when his DE can't play cuz he's shitting his guts out?

What about when he half asses it on every play and lays into the OT and spins in circles?

Maybe Spags likes a no talent bitch runs his mouth on the field as he's getting his ass whipped by 3rd string OTs?
and Uzis. He's got Uzis.

Chiefshrink 10-14-2023 06:18 PM
JSNTF !!

Just say no to Frank!;)

Hammock Parties 10-14-2023 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17168826)
JSNTF !!

Just say no to Frank!;)
You'll take Frank, and you'll like it.

Hammock Parties 10-14-2023 07:14 PM
OH

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8cWNsZW...jpg&name=large

DJ's left nut 10-14-2023 08:10 PM
I don't speak emoji.

Hammock Parties 10-14-2023 08:19 PM
What you are seeing is Frank Clark liking a tweet by Charles Omenihu celebrating the end of his suspension.

Why would Frank Clark care what a player who's not his teammate, that he has never played with, thinks or feels? Unless...he's about to be his teammate? Does this mean the Chiefs are signing Frank Clark? Was the enrollment of his children into a Kansas City-area school just a coincidence? And does that little chickadee Mackenzie Webb really know what she's talking about? All that, and more, on the next episode of Unsolved Mysteries in the Kingdom.

https://i.imgur.com/SjdO5hC.jpeg

DJ's left nut 10-15-2023 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17168551)
**** you right in your AIDS infested ass. He kept his promise, and I respect people who stay true to their word:

https://youtu.be/AUWl7p13EzI?si=Y-IMtBHZ9YVWeoQu

Welcome back Frank.
{Sigh}

So....lots then? Let's peruse...

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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 14223813)
I've been watching the dude's highlights and I personally love this move. He's like a miniaturized Aaron Donald. Smaller, not quite as powerful, but just as relentless and ferocious. Our defence is better with Frank Clark.
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 14336028)
We got Frank Clark for that bruv. Dude is gonna deliver a MVP-calibur season killing QBs.
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 14334283)
So happy we got Clark. That dude is elite.
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 15375345)
Clark is doing his job.
So ultimately you've just been gargling his balls for 4+ years now.

tredadda 10-15-2023 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17169154)
What you are seeing is Frank Clark liking a tweet by Charles Omenihu celebrating the end of his suspension.

Why would Frank Clark care what a player who's not his teammate, that he has never played with, thinks or feels? Unless...he's about to be his teammate? Does this mean the Chiefs are signing Frank Clark? Was the enrollment of his children into a Kansas City-area school just a coincidence? And does that little chickadee Mackenzie Webb really know what she's talking about? All that, and more, on the next episode of Unsolved Mysteries in the Kingdom.

https://i.imgur.com/SjdO5hC.jpeg
Why does it also say South Central to Cleveland? Perhaps it’s a sign he’s going to the Browns.

RealSNR 10-15-2023 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17169944)
{Sigh}

So....lots then? Let's peruse...









So ultimately you've just been gargling his balls for 4+ years now.

These Clark apologists are legit excited for Shart to play real defensive snaps for the Chiefs.

Unbelievable

tyreekthefreak 10-15-2023 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17170321)
These Clark apologists are legit excited for Shart to play real defensive snaps for the Chiefs.

Unbelievable
No way Veech and Co. sign Clark.....there's just no way!

JohnnyHammersticks 10-15-2023 02:50 PM
Maybe we should bring back Buck Buchanan too. Sure he’s been dead for even longer than Shart has been a completely worthless bum, but legend says he helped us win a SB back in the day. :shrug:

DJ's left nut 10-15-2023 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17170321)
These Clark apologists are legit excited for Shart to play real defensive snaps for the Chiefs.

Unbelievable
They decided almost a half decade ago that he was a badass and nothing that happens is going to change their minds...

threebag 10-15-2023 07:51 PM
There’s blood in the water

















ROFL

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2023 07:56 PM
LMAO oh, it's definitely shark week the way some of these folks are posting and he's not even here yet ROFL

stevieray 10-16-2023 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17168544)
Lmao, what is it that Shart does that fits what Spags likes to do?

Does Spags like when his DE can't play cuz he's shitting his guts out?

What about when he half asses it on every play and lays into the OT and spins in circles?

Maybe Spags likes a no talent bitch runs his mouth on the field as he's getting his ass whipped by 3rd string OTs?
:rolleyes:

Why is Justin Watson getting so many snaps?

TwistedChief 10-16-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17170290)
Why does it also say South Central to Cleveland? Perhaps it’s a sign he’s going to the Browns.
He graduated from HS in Cleveland.

kcjayhawks5 10-16-2023 08:53 AM
We sign this piece of shit yet?

Sofa King 10-16-2023 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kcjayhawks5 (Post 17172210)
We sign this piece of shit yet?
The fact that we haven't is a good thing.

ping2000 10-16-2023 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyy God (Post 17168533)
Show us on the doll where Frank Clark touched you…..
Frank shot it with his uzi.

tredadda 10-16-2023 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17172199)
He graduated from HS in Cleveland.
I gotcha. Thank you for sharing that. Was not aware of that.

RealSNR 10-16-2023 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17171402)
LMAO oh, it's definitely shark week the way some of these folks are posting and he's not even here yet ROFL
I'm starting to feel like Sweet Daddy Hate with the amount of constant vitriol I'm spewing in opposition to him signing here.

Doesn't feel good.

FloridaMan88 10-16-2023 11:36 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We love Frank. Right now, we&#39;re just talking through some things there. There are a few things you have to look at when you do that. That&#39;s kind of where we&#39;re at. We haven&#39;t done anything to this point.&quot; - Andy Reid on DE Frank Clark being available</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1713963227174805886?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Direckshun 10-16-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17172460)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We love Frank. Right now, we&#39;re just talking through some things there. There are a few things you have to look at when you do that. That&#39;s kind of where we&#39;re at. We haven&#39;t done anything to this point.&quot; - Andy Reid on DE Frank Clark being available</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1713963227174805886?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I'd probably take Frank Clark in the playoffs over FAU, but everything else considered, I think you keep giving FAU snaps and hold off on Clark.

If FAU isn't developing by late December, if someone goes down with a terrible injury... then we can have that conversation.

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17169944)
{Sigh}

So....lots then? Let's peruse...




So ultimately you've just been gargling his balls for 4+ years now.
Those are some tasty peanuts, baby. #BringBackTheShark

nychief 10-16-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17172460)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;We love Frank. Right now, we&#39;re just talking through some things there. There are a few things you have to look at when you do that. That&#39;s kind of where we&#39;re at. We haven&#39;t done anything to this point.&quot; - Andy Reid on DE Frank Clark being available</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1713963227174805886?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I read this as meaning they'd need FC to understand that he would be a situational pass rusher and not play a whole lot until playoff time... sorta a Defensive version of McKinnon. Depends on what Shark wants, I presume.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 17172486)
I read this as meaning they'd need FC to understand that he would be a situational pass rusher and not play a whole lot until playoff time... sorta a Defensive version of McKinnon. Depends on what Shark wants, I presume.
I feel like its a personality conversation.

I mean - Clark was here for 4 years with the understanding that it was 'his' defense. Then he got cut and let walk for a relative pittance of a deal.

So it's not even entirely about role on the field - he has to be understanding of his role in this lockerroom. This isn't his defense anymore and coming back here isn't going to change that.

Can he accept being a journeyman the way Dunlap did? That's an open question. He clearly didn't take to it in Denver...

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172491)
I feel like its a personality conversation.

I mean - Clark was here for 4 years with the understanding that it was 'his' defense. Then he got cut and let walk for a relative pittance of a deal.

So it's not even entirely about role on the field - he has to be understanding of his role in this lockerroom. This isn't his defense anymore and coming back here isn't going to change that.

Can he accept being a journeyman the way Dunlap did? That's an open question. He clearly didn't take to it in Denver...
His teammates have nothing but good things to say about him. You idiots act like he was a locker room cancer. All the evidence points in the opposite direction. There is no downside in bringing him back. He was a leader.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172503)
His teammates have nothing but good things to say about him. You idiots act like he was a locker room cancer. All the evidence points in the opposite direction. There is no downside in bringing him back. He was a leader.
New leadership has been installed.

That's basic organizational harmony stuff. There isn't a power vacuum in the Chiefs defense. They've done quite well in his absence.

Him coming in and trying his standard Frank Clark brand of faux dawg tough guy leadership isn't going to be beneficial to a unit that's already established its identity while he was in Denver stealing paychecks.

He was the leader of a defense that was never anywhere close to as good as the unit he'd be coming back to. His job is no longer to BE a leader. It's to be a role-player who knows when its time to follow. When it's time to keep his head down and play hard when he's on the field as opposed to strut around like his shit doesn't stink before taking 80% of his time in uniform off.

The problem is that Clark almost certainly has the same shit-for-brains understanding of this as you seem to have.

dlphg9 10-16-2023 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 17168784)
Your one all mouth bitch ass pussy. You couldn't back any of the smack you rattle off.

You don't pay much attention if you don't see all those guys take plays off. If they are not they are rotating in and out.

Take some old Mexico fentanyl and a handle of wild turkey and shut your cock hole bitch ass.
Were you drinking when you wrote this or just having a ****ing stroke?

It's more than taking a play or two off, geriatric ****.

dlphg9 10-16-2023 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172509)
New leadership has been installed.

That's basic organizational harmony stuff. There isn't a power vacuum in the Chiefs defense. They've done quite well in his absence.

Him coming in and trying his standard Frank Clark brand of faux dawg tough guy leadership isn't going to be beneficial to a unit that's already established its identity while he was in Denver stealing paychecks.

He 'was' the leader of a defense that was never anywhere close to as good as the unit he'd be coming back to. His job is no longer to BE a leader. It's to be a role-player who knows when its time to follow.

The problem is that Clark almost certainly has the same shit-for-brains understanding of this as you seem to have.
I'm not sure I understand the obsession people have with this no good loser. Some of them are the same that shit talk Chris Jones any chance they get. I think it's a mental disorder or something.

TwistedChief 10-16-2023 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17172516)
I'm not sure I understand the obsession people have with this no good loser. Some of them are the same that shit talk Chris Jones any chance they get. I think it's a mental disorder or something.
If Chris Jones showed up in the postseason like The Shark does, maybe some wouldn’t feel that way.

dlphg9 10-16-2023 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 17172194)
:rolleyes:

Why is Justin Watson getting so many snaps?
Don't have to worry about that anymore. Good thing he got all those snaps last year over Skyy Moore so we never got a chance to see how shit he was. Those would have been pretty beneficial don't ya think.

dlphg9 10-16-2023 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17172519)
If Chris Jones showed up in the postseason like The Shark does, maybe some wouldn’t feel that way.
Eat my ass LMAO

RealSNR 10-16-2023 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172503)
His teammates have nothing but good things to say about him. You idiots act like he was a locker room cancer. All the evidence points in the opposite direction. There is no downside in bringing him back. He was a leader.
There's plenty of downside to bringing him back. He could see the field and be playing snaps that could have gone to Jones, Karlaftis, Danna, FAU, or Omenihu.

It'd be one thing if he were this reliable veteran who made the right read and the right play every time, even if he came up short. I didn't see that last year. He makes mistakes. All the time.

If I'm going to play a guy who makes mistakes, let it be a young player who will learn.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17172516)
I'm not sure I understand the obsession people have with this no good loser. Some of them are the same that shit talk Chris Jones any chance they get. I think it's a mental disorder or something.
They buy into the schtick.

They jerk off to this 'blood in the water' horseshit.

It's not about his performance - nobody really tries to defend that anymore. They just swoon over the swagger and act like it's instrumental to building a defense.

Nevermind that the defense has been better this year than it ever was with him or that it was improving last season as he was phased out.

TwistedChief 10-16-2023 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17172522)
Eat my ass LMAO
I tried…….

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17172526)
There's plenty of downside to bringing him back. He could see the field and be playing snaps that could have gone to Jones, Karlaftis, Danna, FAU, or Omenihu.

It'd be one thing if he were this reliable veteran who made the right read and the right play every time, even if he came up short. I didn't see that last year. He makes mistakes. All the time.

If I'm going to play a guy who makes mistakes, let it be a young player who will learn.
If you're bringing in an old dude, Dunlap is far more reliable as a place-holder between reps for the younger players.

RealSNR 10-16-2023 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172534)
If you're bringing in an old dude, Dunlap is far more reliable as a place-holder between reps for the younger players.
Absolutely. Pretty sure Dunlap is basically done and just hasn't formally announced his retirement, but if he's not and he's only waiting for the right price to be offered, I'd rather take him at last year's contract than sign Shart for vet minimum.

poolboy 10-16-2023 12:13 PM
we dont need him anyway...we got Charlie O back

TwistedChief 10-16-2023 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172530)
They buy into the schtick.

They jerk off to this 'blood in the water' horseshit.

It's not about his performance - nobody really tries to defend that anymore. They just swoon over the swagger and act like it's instrumental to building a defense.

Nevermind that the defense has been better this year than it ever was with him or that it was improving last season as he was phased out.
The fact remains that this team went 50 years without a SB championship and then Clark joined and we won 2 in 4 years with his moving up to 3rd all-time in postseason sacks. Mahomes has never won an AFCCG in which Clark has not gotten a sack.

This is a clear case of correlation equaling causation.

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 12:17 PM
I forgot he was in Denver. Suddenly all the pointless reeruned hatred towards him makes some bit of sense. Doesn't change my argument.

dirk digler 10-16-2023 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17172526)
There's plenty of downside to bringing him back. He could see the field and be playing snaps that could have gone to Jones, Karlaftis, Danna, FAU, or Omenihu.

It'd be one thing if he were this reliable veteran who made the right read and the right play every time, even if he came up short. I didn't see that last year. He makes mistakes. All the time.

If I'm going to play a guy who makes mistakes, let it be a young player who will learn.
Agreed. If he is interested in being on the practice squad that would be ok I suppose but otherwise no thanks.

irafreak 10-16-2023 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17172520)
Don't have to worry about that anymore. Good thing he got all those snaps last year over Skyy Moore so we never got a chance to see how shit he was. Those would have been pretty beneficial don't ya think.
I doubt the coaching staff would have bailed on skyy after one year no matter how many extra snaps he might have had.

Sassy Squatch 10-16-2023 12:26 PM
One, two, Frankie's coming for you.
Three, four, Better lock your door.
Five, six, grab a crucifix.
Seven, eight, Gonna stay up late.
Nine, ten, Never sleep again

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 12:28 PM
You have to be completely blind to not see that the guy is emotionally invested in this team. He's not all about the $$$, atleast not when he's with us.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172569)
You have to be completely blind to not see that the guy is emotionally invested in this team. He's not all about the $$$, atleast not when he's with us.
Dude made $77 million in 4 years here and the moment we weren't willing to overpay him anymore he left.

Yeah - totally not in it for the money.

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172571)
Dude made $77 million in 4 years here and the moment we weren't willing to overpay him anymore he left.

Yeah - totally not in it for the money.
He won 5 championships (I'm including AFCCGs). Yeah, total waste of money.

RealSNR 10-16-2023 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172569)
You have to be completely blind to not see that the guy is emotionally invested in this team. He's not all about the $$$, atleast not when he's with us.

Gehrig Dieter was also emotionally invested in this team

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172577)
He won 5 championships (I'm including AFCCGs). Yeah, total waste of money.
So did James Winchester, Khalen Saunders and Nick Allegretti.

Stupid argument is stupid.

dirk digler 10-16-2023 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172577)
He won 5 championships (I'm including AFCCGs). Yeah, total waste of money.
And most of us are very appreciative of that. We needed a couple of dawg's on D and he and HoneyBadger provided that.

I think he is cooked now though

tyecopeland 10-16-2023 12:54 PM
As is often the case, Clark sits somewhere in the middle of these arguments. But I'd say he leans closer to the sucks side.

FloridaMan88 10-16-2023 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172569)
You have to be completely blind to not see that the guy is emotionally invested in this team. He's not all about the $$$, atleast not when he's with us.
If it’s not all about the $$$, then why wasn’t Frank Clark willing to play for the veteran’s minimum of $750,000?

Pretty sure the Chiefs would have re-signed him if he was willing to play at or close to that minimum salary.

Instead he signed a fully guaranteed one year deal for $5.45 million with Denver.

But “he’s not all about the $$$”?

KCJake 10-16-2023 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17172578)
Gehrig Dieter was also emotionally invested in this team
That dude would wash uniforms if the Chiefs would let him

RunKC 10-16-2023 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17172542)
The fact remains that this team went 50 years without a SB championship and then Clark joined and we won 2 in 4 years with his moving up to 3rd all-time in postseason sacks. Mahomes has never won an AFCCG in which Clark has not gotten a sack.

This is a clear case of correlation equaling causation.
DJ'a first post when we signed Frank was that it was a move that should get Veach fired. He stood on that post tooth and nail. He doubled down and we won a SB with Frank tying for most postseason sacks in a postseason run in NFL history.

Then he tripled down on it the next year when he got another playoff sack and then quadrupled down on it last year saying he provided no value and should be cut. Then Frank had 1.5 sacks in the AFCCG and 3 pressures in the SB (did I mention it was more than Chris Jones had in that game?).

Veach has been right about Frank every single time and DJ has been wrong. DJ's pride is ****ing with him and he just can't let it go. I've never seen anything like the folks bashing a guy for producing in the postseason like Frank has. It's unreal.

That's why I'm trusting Veach again. He was right (again) to not overpay him this off-season. If he wants to bring Frank back one last time as a depth guy for pennies, then who are any of us to judge after what he's done?

DJ suggested he would be fired for signing the guy in the first place and right now it's looking like Veach is getting his name up for the ring of fame. I'm not gonna bitch if Veach takes his Frank Clark club out and bashes DJ's dead horse for the final time.

O.city 10-16-2023 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17172647)
DJ'a first post when we signed Frank was that it was a move that should get Veach fired. He stood on that post tooth and nail. He doubled down and we won a SB with Frank tying for most postseason sacks in a postseason run in NFL history.

Then he tripled down on it the next year when he got another playoff sack and then quadrupled down on it last year saying he provided no value and should be cut. Then Frank had 1.5 sacks in the AFCCG and 3 pressures in the SB (did I mention it was more than Chris Jones had in that game?).

Veach has been right about Frank every single time and DJ has been wrong. DJ's pride is ****ing with him and he just can't let it go. I've never seen anything like the folks bashing a guy for producing in the postseason like Frank has. It's unreal.

That's why I'm trusting Veach again. He was right (again) to not overpay him this off-season. If he wants to bring Frank back one last time as a depth guy for pennies, then who are any of us to judge after what he's done?

DJ suggested he would be fired for signing the guy in the first place and right now it's looking like Veach is getting his name up for the ring of fame. I'm not gonna bitch if Veach takes his Frank Clark club out and bashes DJ's dead horse for the final time.
If your argument is every that Frank Clark has been more integral to success of this run than Chris Jones has been, well, I think that would be pretty wrong.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 01:12 PM
Veach was right about Frank Clark, eh?

Sure thing, sport.

He called him a DPOY caliber player. He gave up that kind of trade capital and then paid him like same.

He couldn't have been more wrong about the guy.

Sassy Squatch 10-16-2023 01:13 PM
LMAO Oh, he took it way farther than saying Veach should be fired. IIRC He put him on the same tier as Grigson, arguably the worst GM of the modern era.

Wisconsin_Chief 10-16-2023 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17172629)
If it’s not all about the $$$, then why wasn’t Frank Clark willing to play for the veteran’s minimum of $750,000?

Pretty sure the Chiefs would have re-signed him if he was willing to play at or close to that minimum salary.

Instead he signed a fully guaranteed one year deal for $5.45 million with Denver.

But “he’s not all about the $$$”?
He also just willingly gave up the rest of that guaranteed money to get his release so he could (presumably) come back here, or at least go somewhere else that doesn't totally suck. He could have just sat on the inactive list collecting checks and he refused to.

Sassy Squatch 10-16-2023 01:18 PM
And to be fair to DJLN, I'm pretty sure a vast, vast majority of us hated that trade when it was made. He was just more vociferous in voicing his displeasure

MahomesMagic 10-16-2023 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172654)
Veach was right about Frank Clark, eh?

Sure thing, sport.

He called him a DPOY caliber player. He gave up that kind of trade capital and then paid him like same.

He couldn't have been more wrong about the guy.
Clark was much better before he got here.

Injuries? Who knows but he was a different player once he got the big $$$$ here.

RealSNR 10-16-2023 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17172647)
DJ'a first post when we signed Frank was that it was a move that should get Veach fired. He stood on that post tooth and nail. He doubled down and we won a SB with Frank tying for most postseason sacks in a postseason run in NFL history.

Then he tripled down on it the next year when he got another playoff sack and then quadrupled down on it last year saying he provided no value and should be cut. Then Frank had 1.5 sacks in the AFCCG and 3 pressures in the SB (did I mention it was more than Chris Jones had in that game?).

Veach has been right about Frank every single time and DJ has been wrong. DJ's pride is ****ing with him and he just can't let it go. I've never seen anything like the folks bashing a guy for producing in the postseason like Frank has. It's unreal.

That's why I'm trusting Veach again. He was right (again) to not overpay him this off-season. If he wants to bring Frank back one last time as a depth guy for pennies, then who are any of us to judge after what he's done?

DJ suggested he would be fired for signing the guy in the first place and right now it's looking like Veach is getting his name up for the ring of fame. I'm not gonna bitch if Veach takes his Frank Clark club out and bashes DJ's dead horse for the final time.

IS IT the final time?

Because something tells me the Shart fans will pound the table next offseason/regular season as well demanding we bring back Shart on the cheap.

This isn’t going to end here and you know it. And there’s such a thing as moving on

RunKC 10-16-2023 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17172673)
IS IT the final time?

Because something tells me the Shart fans will pound the table next offseason/regular season as well demanding we bring back Shart on the cheap.

This isn’t going to end here and you know it. And there’s such a thing as moving on
Idk. What I do know is I trust Brett Veach. If he brings him back then I'm fine with it

Straight, No Chaser 10-16-2023 01:42 PM
Excellent Bart plan to let him go to Donkeyland, take less, get cut, wait until no one else signs him and then come back home for less… His presence makes Jones happier.

Red Dawg 10-16-2023 01:48 PM
Feels like it's not happening and that's fine as well. Veach knows best.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17172664)
And to be fair to DJLN, I'm pretty sure a vast, vast majority of us hated that trade when it was made. He was just more vociferous in voicing his displeasure
You'll recall that literally the next day, when I wasn't phone-posting, I expounded on said comparison, no?

Spoiler!


And would you not also say that Veach does things quite a bit differently than he did that off-season? I've said several times over the years that Veach has really done an outstanding job growing into the role and developing a long-term lens that should allow us to continue to compete as Mahomes gets more expensive.

He couldn't continue doing what he did there.

You may also recall that my first thoughts upon hearing about the trade were "I'm drunk on a beach in Mexico, but..."

I get to cite the exacerbating effects of alcohol on rage posting.

Did I overreact? Yeah - I didn't leave open the possibility that Veach would demonstrate strengths in other areas (or that Mahomes would be an absolute God) sufficient to overcome some substantial errors and a steep learning curve as Valanche found his way forward in the new gig.

But was the Clark trade and extension absolutely awful? Yes, yes it was. Always has been, always will be. Extending his time here doesn't change that.

TwistedChief 10-16-2023 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17172672)
Clark was much better before he got here.

Injuries? Who knows but he was a different player once he got the big $$$$ here.
That doesn’t sound like the Frank Clark I know that’s NEVER be in it for the money.

Chiefspants 10-16-2023 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172721)
You'll recall that literally the next day, when I wasn't phone-posting, I expounded on said comparison, no?

Spoiler!


And would you not also say that Veach does things quite a bit differently than he did that off-season? I've said several times over the years that Veach has really done an outstanding job growing into the role and developing a long-term lens that should allow us to continue to compete as Mahomes gets more expensive.

He couldn't continue doing what he did there.

You may also recall that my first thoughts upon hearing about the trade were "I'm drunk on a beach in Mexico, but..."

I get to cite the exacerbating effects of alcohol on rage posting.

Did I overreact? Yeah - I didn't leave open the possibility that Veach would demonstrate strengths in other areas (or that Mahomes would be an absolute God) sufficient to overcome some substantial errors and a steep learning curve as Valanche found his way forward in the new gig.

But was the Clark trade and extension absolutely awful? Yes, yes it was. Always has been, always will be. Extending his time here doesn't change that.
The line falling apart on him seemed to force a change in his entire philosophy.

Hopefully Rice breaks his drought at WR. Because once he plugs that hole, he's pretty damn ironclad.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17172754)
The line falling apart on him seemed to force a change in his entire philosophy.

Hopefully Rice breaks his drought at WR. Because once he plugs that hole, he's pretty damn ironclad.
I honestly think it's because Veach isn't willing to do what so many Clark defenders are eager to do.

He's not anxious to fall victim to a simple post hoc fallacy. He's not going to say "I signed Clark, we won a Super Bowl, therefore we won a Super Bowl BECAUSE I signed Frank Clark..."

He recognizes Clark didn't work out. He recognizes that Hitchens didn't work out. That Mathieu was probably something of a wash (though he really was quite good here for 2 of his 3 years). That Watkins didn't really work out.

Oh sure, each guy had a moment or two, but that's not how roster building works. You can't say "see, he did a thing! All is forgiven!" because these are professional football players - good god almighty I would hope they wouldn't get face-****ed EVERY snap.

Veach learned from those early mistakes and has developed a far better approach. He's just a lot more calculating across the board than he was then.

Womble 10-16-2023 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17172647)
DJ'a first post when we signed Frank was that it was a move that should get Veach fired. He stood on that post tooth and nail. He doubled down and we won a SB with Frank tying for most postseason sacks in a postseason run in NFL history.

Then he tripled down on it the next year when he got another playoff sack and then quadrupled down on it last year saying he provided no value and should be cut. Then Frank had 1.5 sacks in the AFCCG and 3 pressures in the SB (did I mention it was more than Chris Jones had in that game?).

Veach has been right about Frank every single time and DJ has been wrong. DJ's pride is ****ing with him and he just can't let it go. I've never seen anything like the folks bashing a guy for producing in the postseason like Frank has. It's unreal.

That's why I'm trusting Veach again. He was right (again) to not overpay him this off-season. If he wants to bring Frank back one last time as a depth guy for pennies, then who are any of us to judge after what he's done?

DJ suggested he would be fired for signing the guy in the first place and right now it's looking like Veach is getting his name up for the ring of fame. I'm not gonna bitch if Veach takes his Frank Clark club out and bashes DJ's dead horse for the final time.
This was quite the annihilation. Bravo!

Hammock Parties 10-16-2023 03:06 PM
Frank Clark and Sammy Watkins, two of the greatest playoff performers in franchise history, DIDN'T WORK OUT? LMAO

The Return of The Shark is making DJLN eat stupid pills.

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17172860)
Frank Clark and Sammy Watkins, two of the greatest playoff performers in franchise history, DIDN'T WORK OUT? LMAO

The Return of The Shark is making DJLN eat stupid pills.
Sammy Watkins was making #1 receiver money to average less than 600 yards/season.

Hammock Parties 10-16-2023 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172870)
Sammy Watkins was making #1 receiver money to average less than 600 yards/season.
If you'd like, I can show you a lot of players who earned their regular season pay and disappeared in the playoffs.

O.city 10-16-2023 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17172881)
If you'd like, I can show you a lot of players who earned their regular season pay and disappeared in the playoffs.
I'd say for that money, you need both?

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 10-16-2023 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17172589)
So did James Winchester, Khalen Saunders and Nick Allegretti.

Stupid argument is stupid.
Um, I don't remember any of those guys making big plays in the championship games. You are smoking crack through your ass

DJ's left nut 10-16-2023 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahomes_Is_God (Post 17172888)
Um, I don't remember any of those guys making big plays in the championship games. You are smoking crack through your ass
Saunders made one of the more important plays of the game in the Super Bowl.

But you didn't know Frank Clark was playing in Denver. So there's that...


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