Williams is a product of Reid and Mahomes. Put him on another team he is average at best. Barkley would be elite anywhere. Put Barkley on the Chiefs our O would be unstoppable.

I’m not moving anything

Elite running backs are great. The difference in an elite back and a good one isn’t worth spending first rounders on them when you can find good ones later

You are an idiot if you dont think an RB like Saquon Barkley or Adrian Peterson are not worth a 1st round pick.

Uh you just proved my point LMAO

Reid will get production out of any running back. He's also likely one of maybe 3 or 4 coaches who could do that. He might be the ONLY one.

If you're another team, you do not have that luxury. If you don't have Andy Reid, you need better players. No, Reid doesn't need Saquon Barkley. He doesn't "need" Tyreek Hill. But look what happens when you have Hill and Hunt? Why the hell wouldn't you want that?

Saying that you just would never take a RB at 2nd overall is just limited thinking. Taking Fisher over Barkley is ****ing ridiculous.

When you get wrapped up too much into positional value, sometimes you end up making butt****ing stupid decisions like drafting a Kolton Miller or a Vita Vea over Derwin James.

Yup

Saquon Barkley
1,307 yards, 5.8 YPC, 11 rush TD’s; 4 receiving TD’s

Phillip Lindsay
1,037 yards, 5.4 YPC, 9 rush TD’s; 1 receiving TD

Damien Williams
256 yards, 5.1 YPC, 4 rush TD’s; 2 receiving TD’s

Two undrafted RB’s had roughly the same efficiency as a 2nd overall RB. And Lindsay/Williams got nowhere near as many carries or catch attempts as Saquon.

Drafting any RB at 2 is reeruned.

Running back is for sure the only spot I’d argue about

Those other ones are dumb, especially Vea. Never really understood what he was supposed to be projection wise? A nt?

Atleast with Miller you hope he could be a good tackle but it’s Jon Gruden thinking so who knows

Yeah because every HC and QB in the NFL are as good as Mahomes and Reid.

What round was Tom Brady drafted in? Joe Montana? Was Mahomes drafted at #2 overall?

You can find elite players in every round for any position. The stats you just posted dont prove anything.

Idiotic. One coach used a first rounder on a RB a year ago and won the Super Bowl largely because of that RB.

That’s where I really disagree with some of these guys.

No RB in the top 5 as a general rule? Fine. I won’t say I’d never do it, but I probably wouldn’t. Even if the Giants didn’t take Darnold, Chubb would’ve been a better option.

But I see absolutely nothing wrong with taking a RB late in the 1st.

The vast majority of QBs are drafted in the first if not early first round

The chances of finding an elite qb in the mid to late rounds are much less than finding a running back

And the team before picked one up mid season for a late round pick

Taking anyone but Sam Darnold was the wrong move for the Giants. Hands down.

They were stupid enough to think they could build around Eli Manning and win. LMAO

I guess you feel that you've got a point here when you really don't.

Atleast in the late first you aren’t having to pay them that much so that’s one benefit

I still wouldnt just because of the five years of cheap labor I could get from another position

Like the Chris Jones situation we’d have been better off taking him instead of trading back