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TRR 08-02-2005 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Lots of coordinators have done the same and gone on to be mediocre or worse head coaches. Norv Turner is a perfect example.

Yes, Al Saunders deserves to be a head coach.

No, it should not be in KC.

It's like dumping your girlfriend and then dating her sister because she reminds you of your ex.

When Vermeil steps down, we need to start FRESH.
And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best offensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Saunders will bring new dimensions to the table than Vermeil.

You make absolutely no sense.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-02-2005 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
Me thinks a new staff all together would serve best.... I agree with Parker, extending, or trying to extend without the HC is a wasted effort .........

Marty > Gun
DV > Martz
DV > ?
Give it up, Roy. Even a new coach and a new set of coordinators won't put Scanlon in the starting lineup.

jspchief 08-02-2005 12:48 PM
To elaborate on what Holthus said about Ferentz as the next coach, he said Ferentz or a similar type of coach.

He said the front office has recognized that the team is on the verge of a rebuilding stage where they will have a lot of young talent that will need more coaching. He said that none of KC's current coaches are very well suited to develop a young team. A younger, fundamentals oriented coach like Ferentz or similar would be better suited to build a young team.

If I thought Green had five more years in him, I would say give Saunders a shot to keep the ball rolling. But we need to start thinking about the next QB. And rather than trying to draft the next Green, it makes sense to bring in a new coach and let him get the type of QB he wants.

TEX 08-02-2005 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Trying to extend a good thing out of desperation worked SO well for us last time.
Totally different situation. Just because it was a mistake then, does not mean it would be now. The candidates are different.

TEX 08-02-2005 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ptlyon
Uh oh - it's already started
As well it should. It should be a topic EVERY day until our pathetic _efense improves.

Brock 08-02-2005 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe
Hiring Gunther as HC in KC was a feeble attempt to "extend" the Marty years without the essential ingredient, namely MARTY.

Hiring Al Saunders as HC here would be the same.
I don't know if that's true, but I think Saunders will almost certainly be the next head coach, especially if the team does well this year.

TEX 08-02-2005 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Gunther's record as a head coach -- 16-16.

Saunders' record as a head coach -- 17-22.
Gun and Saunders are two different people who coached two totally different teams in different decades...

What was Shanahan's record while in Oakland? What has he done in Denver? Wonder what would have been had he not gotten a second chance?

TRR 08-02-2005 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief
To elaborate on what Holthus said about Ferentz as the next coach, he said Ferentz or a similar type of coach.

He said the front office has recognized that the team is on the verge of a rebuilding stage where they will have a lot of young talent that will need more coaching. He said that none of KC's current coaches are very well suited to develop a young team. A younger, fundamentals oriented coach like Ferentz or similar would be better suited to build a young team.

If I thought Green had five more years in him, I would say give Saunders a shot to keep the ball rolling. But we need to start thinking about the next QB. And rather than trying to draft the next Green, it makes sense to bring in a new coach and let him get the type of QB he wants.
It may be a Ferentz type of coach, but I don't see him leaving Iowa for awhile. He's building a great thing there, and that's where he started under Frye. I don't see Ferentz leaving for the NFL anytime in the near future.

Green has at least 3 seasons left in KC. He got his start late, and is in the best shape of his playing career. 3 seasons would be enough to give Saunders a legitimate chance at building a team through his vision. Not a lot of NFL Coaches like to develop QB's anymore with so many good vets out there in FA/via trade every offseason. Unless KC has a high draft choice, or a QB falls to them, the next QB in KC will come via FA or trade in my opinion.

TEX 08-02-2005 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Start fresh?? That's the DUMBEST idea I've heard in a long, long time. The reason teams like SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas were so successful for so long is that they didn't change their offensive system. The Chiefs finally have a great offense in place - a great system that utilizes the best of every player, whether it be offensive lineman, wide receivers, QB or running back. To completely change and bring in some college coach or another re-hashed old timer would be a waste of time. This team needs offensive continuity if it's going to continue to be successful.

They don't need another Marty Clone (Edwards, Cowher, etc.) or a West Coast offense disciple. Saunders needs to be given a minimum of 2 years as head coach. He's been in the top 5 of every offensive category since he's arrived and yes, any other coach who's ever done something close to that (whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball) has become a head coach. Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Dom Capers, etc. I don't want to see Saunders as a head coach anywhere else other than KC.

Dane
~Doesn't believe that interview anyway
Very well said IMO. :clap:

ROYC75 08-02-2005 12:57 PM
CP and AS don't see eye to eye on many things. Why do you think CP passed on AS the first time ?

Thig Lyfe 08-02-2005 12:58 PM
Why so pessimistic? I think that we're overcompensating for all the off-season hype over DJ and Surtain and Bell. It's okay to think that the team's going to be good this year. The first four games are a lot more managable than people realize. The Jets are at home, Oakland is overhyped, and Denver has Jake Plummer. The Eagles game doesn't even worry me, just look at the offseason they've had.

3-1 at the worst is my prediction.

TRR 08-02-2005 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
CP and AS don't see eye to eye on many things. Why do you think CP passed on AS the first time ?
CP fired Gun, and then rehired him. I'm not sure that statement holds a lot of stock.

Mr. Laz 08-02-2005 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing
if vermeil says this he's Mensa



if a fan says it they are a beer drinkin',fair weather yahoo

Cormac 08-02-2005 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Start fresh?? That's the DUMBEST idea I've heard in a long, long time. The reason teams like SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas were so successful for so long is that they didn't change their offensive system. The Chiefs finally have a great offense in place - a great system that utilizes the best of every player, whether it be offensive lineman, wide receivers, QB or running back. To completely change and bring in some college coach or another re-hashed old timer would be a waste of time. This team needs offensive continuity if it's going to continue to be successful.

They don't need another Marty Clone (Edwards, Cowher, etc.) or a West Coast offense disciple. Saunders needs to be given a minimum of 2 years as head coach. He's been in the top 5 of every offensive category since he's arrived and yes, any other coach who's ever done something close to that (whether it be on the offensive or defensive side of the ball) has become a head coach. Think Billick, Fassel, Nolan, Marvin Lewis, Dom Capers, etc. I don't want to see Saunders as a head coach anywhere else other than KC.

Dane
~Doesn't believe that interview anyway
I agree. The reason I wouldn't want to see us start fresh is that different coaches with different schemes want different types of players. I don't think we need 75% roster turnover in the next 3 years. And I bet that's what would happen if we started with a completely new coaching staff. We have the players, and only need to replace the (many) older ones on the offensive side of the ball. Also, I like our asst. coaches (esp on offense). Guys like Solari, Shea, Saxon etc. Fresh starts are for teams that are going nowhere. Call me a homer, but I believe we're close, and have been for 2 years. I hope we can keep this going for a couple more years.

TRR 08-02-2005 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.
If that's the case than Vermeil, Saunders, Gun and the rest of them need to start looking for jobs now. What an idiotic statement.


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