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beer bacon 03-28-2007 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
I think one could argue that Allen isn't even our best DE. IMO Hali is a better all-around DE.
Hali had a better rookie season then JA, but JA didn't have a good DE to help him out his rookie season. The only advantage Hali had over JA last season was half a sack and more forced fumbles. JA had more tackles, more tackles for loss, more passes defensed, and way more QB pressures.

Reerun_KC 03-28-2007 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beer bacon
Sacks aren't everything. He got consistent pressure, and he was also tops among d-linemen in tackles and tackles for loss.

Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.

beer bacon 03-28-2007 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.
The only reasonable trade for Allen would involve a first round draft pick. The guy is too young and too good to give up for anything else. We aren't likely to get any better by giving up a guy that could be a franchise player for the next 5+ years for a couple picks that have a <50% chance of doing that. Given our drafting track record, <50% is generous.

Carl needs to convince Allen to hire a new agent, and then go hot and heavy on renegotiations with him.

ct 03-28-2007 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trndobrd
What has Allen actually said? Anyone seen any quotes from the man hisself, not the agent.
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Originally Posted by booger
•ALLEN WON’T BE AT OFFSEASON WORKOUTS: Ken Harris, the agent for defensive end Jared Allen, said his client won’t participate when the Chiefs begin their offseason program Monday.

“To my knowledge, I don’t think he plans to be back in Kansas City until training camp,” Harris said.

That means Allen also wouldn’t participate in the only offseason event that’s mandatory for most players, the three-day minicamp in early June. It wouldn’t be mandatory for Allen, who doesn’t have a contract.

Harris indicated that Allen probably wouldn’t sign the one-year, $2.35 million contract offer he has from the Chiefs until shortly before the start of camp. Allen is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Chiefs and has said he wants a trade.

| Star news services contributed to this report
Allen's agent say "blah blah blah".

If somebody offered a 2nd+3rd, or a nice move up in the 1st and a later pick (say replacing our missing 4th), I'd do it. Done deal.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-28-2007 01:52 PM
I trust Allen will stay in shape while he's not here.

This is normal stuff going on; it's the business of the NFL. He'll re-sign with us. Herm had dinner with him not too long ago and I heard it went fine.

Chiefnj 03-28-2007 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Actually that is correct, We need to trade him based on his potential and future potential...

Unlike Carl and Chiefs Fans, Most teams look at future growth and preformance, we on the other hand, cry about the "proven stats" and usually overpay for guys past their prime...

Time is now to trade Allen.

Allen is past his prime?? He's coming off a second day rookie contract. This is the exact type of player that good teams keep - a player that is still young, is still improving and is proven in the system.

Reerun_KC 03-28-2007 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Allen is past his prime?? He's coming off a second day rookie contract. This is the exact type of player that good teams keep - a player that is still young, is still improving and is proven in the system.
Yes Allen is in his prime, I think you misread it... I am for one signing him or trading him to get the most picks out of him.

Carlota69 03-28-2007 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by trndobrd
What has Allen actually said? Anyone seen any quotes from the man hisself, not the agent.
Well from his mouth he said--

The contract stuff has ben going on for well over a year--it's just made the media in the last few months. He wants to be a Chief. He loves the city and his teamates. However, business is business. They're just negotiating with Carl--and you know how that is...Carl isn't easy, therefore you got to ask for the moon, the sun and the stars just so you can get a piece of the big dipper. Thats true in any negotiation.

Also, he hasn't had a drink in 6 months and is doing very well without alcohol.

He is a vey cool dude and very down to earth.

sedated 03-28-2007 02:22 PM
who gives a fugg?

normal operating procedure.


"Priest, what do you need to do physically to be ready for the season?"

"Get paid"

htismaqe 03-28-2007 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Logical
I have my doubts we could get better than a 3rd and a 5th for him, as Keg pointed out his production really has not been all pro quality.
Right now, the comp would be 1st and 3rd. I pretty much guarantee we could get 2 first day picks for him...

Logical 03-28-2007 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Right now, the comp would be 1st and 3rd. I pretty much guarantee we could get 2 first day picks for him...
Parker you know as well as I do that the compensation value has very little to do with true trade value. I also think you overrate Carls ability to make a good deal.

DaneMcCloud 03-28-2007 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by booger
Boomer will be pissed.
Boomer's gonna be lucky to make the team.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Allen has done an amazing job for a small school prospect
He was a "small school" (Divison 1-AA isn't small, BTW) school prospect because of a drunken high school prank turned ugly. That's the reason he ended up at Idaho in the first place.

The guy hasn't grown up since. If the Chiefs can get adequate compensation (2nd rounder +), move him.

ct 03-28-2007 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Boomer's gonna be lucky to make the team.



He was a "small school" (Divison 1-AA isn't small, BTW) school prospect because of a drunken high school prank turned ugly. That's the reason he ended up at Idaho in the first place.

The guy hasn't grown up since. If the Chiefs can get adequate compensation (2nd rounder +), move him.
An often overlooked point.

Archie Bunker 03-28-2007 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
He was a "small school" (Divison 1-AA isn't small, BTW) school prospect because of a drunken high school prank turned ugly. That's the reason he ended up at Idaho in the first place.

The guy hasn't grown up since. If the Chiefs can get adequate compensation (2nd rounder +), move him.
Exactly. He hasn't shown the ability to learn from his mistakes. I'm not sure this time will be any different and honestly it is not worth the gamble to find out.

Eleazar 03-28-2007 03:18 PM
I'd take a second and a third for him.


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