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Rausch 10-15-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5118037)
Don't worry.

Clark will hire Marty to GM, and you'll have years of bitching ahead to look forward to.

As a GM he'd be perfect.

Great eye of O line, D line, LB, CB talent without the ability to screw up the game with his horrible decision making.

Hell, I think he'd be a fan-****ing-tastic GM if he had a team of MU grads around to keep his math and cap on trac...

crazycoffey 10-15-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5117227)
This article will bring a bunch of "I usually never agree with Whitlock but he nailed this one" by the same people that write it for all his articles. LMAO

He's right on this, Carl has created a freaking clusterfudge here and for some reason Clark just keeps writing his checks.


He's still an A-hole...

Duck Dog 10-15-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5118061)
As a GM he'd be perfect.

Great eye of O line, D line, LB, CB talent without the ability to screw up the game with his horrible decision making.

Hell, I think he'd be a fan-****ing-tastic GM if he had a team of MU grads around to keep his math and cap on trac...


It sure beats the thought of turning into the Faiders with a revolving door of whipping boys.

DaneMcCloud 10-15-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5118061)
As a GM he'd be perfect.

Great eye of O line, D line, LB, CB talent without the ability to screw up the game with his horrible decision making.

Hell, I think he'd be a fan-****ing-tastic GM if he had a team of MU grads around to keep his math and cap on trac...

I think you're out of your mind.

Carl Peterson ran those drafts and acquired free-agents for KC before 1997. We all know about the decisions that year (Perriman, Wayne Simmons, Andre Rison, "Mighty" Mouse and most notably, Grbac over Gannon).

He was fired in Washington for wanting personnel control.

He DID NOT make ONE decision in San Diego with regards to talent. That was all John Butler & AJ Smith.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Chiefs roster was LOADED with talent before Marty arrived. Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Christian Okoye, Stephone Paige, Carlos Carson, Bill Maas, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burress, Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, Dino Hackett, John Alt - the list goes on and on. Add in Derrick Thomas in 1989 and you've got a helluva football team.

Marty's a great regular season coach. And that's ALL he is.

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5118092)
I think you're out of your mind.

Carl Peterson ran those drafts and acquired free-agents for KC before 1997. We all know about the decisions that year (Perriman, Wayne Simmons, Andre Rison, "Mighty" Mouse and most notably, Grbac over Gannon).

He was fired in Washington for wanting personnel control.

He DID NOT make ONE decision in San Diego with regards to talent. That was all John Butler & AJ Smith.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Chiefs roster was LOADED with talent before Marty arrived. Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Christian Okoye, Stephone Paige, Carlos Carson, Bill Maas, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burress, Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, Dino Hackett, John Alt - the list goes on and on. Add in Derrick Thomas in 1989 and you've got a helluva football team.

Marty's a great regular season coach. And that's ALL he is.


:eek: Holy Shit, I actually agree with you on something..... :clap::clap::clap:

kaplin42 10-15-2008 10:56 AM

It's two differant categories really. Carl is the guy that has put all the pieces on the board. And quite frankly, his pieces suck sweaty donkey balls.

But Herm handles the day to day with the players. Herm handles the offensive and defensive philosophies. Herm over sees the development of the players. Herm is the one that makes the shitty game time play calls such as not going for a TD when you are inside the 10 and your team hasn't won shit 12 games and instead, settles for the field goal, and lack of any adjustments made to the game plan.

Make no mistake, Herm has done a wonderfully craptastic job with this team, and he does deserve to get the boot. But, who put him in the position to do this?

In my opinion, they both should be gone. And as I, and many more of you have said already. Clean house, from the top to the very bottom.

milkman 10-15-2008 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5118092)
I think you're out of your mind.

Carl Peterson ran those drafts and acquired free-agents for KC before 1997. We all know about the decisions that year (Perriman, Wayne Simmons, Andre Rison, "Mighty" Mouse and most notably, Grbac over Gannon).

He was fired in Washington for wanting personnel control.

He DID NOT make ONE decision in San Diego with regards to talent. That was all John Butler & AJ Smith.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Chiefs roster was LOADED with talent before Marty arrived. Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Christian Okoye, Stephone Paige, Carlos Carson, Bill Maas, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burress, Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, Dino Hackett, John Alt - the list goes on and on. Add in Derrick Thomas in 1989 and you've got a helluva football team.

Marty's a great regular season coach. And that's ALL he is.

He's a good teacher as well, but everything else is dead on.

FAX 10-15-2008 11:09 AM

If Marty would bring back Raider Week, that would be good.

I fear, however, he would attempt to bang every girlfriend and wife associated with the clubhouse. It would increase the number of players asking for a trade 50 fold.

FAX

Dave Lane 10-15-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5117292)
Lost in all this is the fact that the Chiefs were also trying to get rid themselves of Surtain, Edwards, LJ, and anybody else with more than 3 years experience. Sure, it's a business and everybody knows that, but those guys have to feel a little wierd about showing up for work.

FAX

The reason he wants rid of the veterans is that they completely aren't buying in to the horrible coaching this team has endured. The rooks don't know any better plus it might buy him an extra year.

FAX 10-15-2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 5118293)
The reason he wants rid of the veterans is that they completely aren't buying in to the horrible coaching this team has endured. The rooks don't know any better plus it might buy him an extra year.

I agree with that theory, Mr. Dave Lane. It fits the facts as we know them and it's consistent with Herm's somewhat petulent attitude.

I've known a lot of guys like Herm through the years. Guys who bullshit their way into situations that are too big for them. Once there, the results are not and their reaction to accountability is similar to that of a teenager who's been caught doing something stupid ... they either lie or blame someone else for their difficulties or both.

Eventually, the string will run out on him, though. He can't keep changing the means whereby his work product is measured forever. Sooner or later, he has to field a winning football team or find other employment. The shame of it all is that he's actually being paid so much to learn on the job.

FAX

HemiEd 10-15-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5118061)
As a GM he'd be perfect.

Great eye of O line, D line, LB, CB talent without the ability to screw up the game with his horrible decision making.

Hell, I think he'd be a fan-****ing-tastic GM if he had a team of MU grads around to keep his math and cap on trac...

I agree, hope it happens.

milkman 10-15-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5118359)
I agree, hope it happens.

I'm sorry, but Marty is a terrible talent evaluator.

Give him talent to work with, and he's a good teacher, but no way in hell do I ever want that dumbass picking players in the draft.

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5118359)
I agree, hope it happens.

I am not going to share my whiskey with you....

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5118365)
I'm sorry, but Marty is a terrible talent evaluator.

Give him talent to work with, and he's a good teacher, but no way in hell do I ever want that dumbass picking players in the draft.

His last couple years here in KC should tell you all you want about Marty...

His Monday Night Meltdown, Morris/Vanover drug ring/Car theft crap... Wayne Simmions... Starting Grbac over Gannon...

Jesus, Marty just scares the shit out of me...

ChiefsCountry 10-15-2008 12:18 PM

Hell no to Marty. Lets get some new blood in this organization.


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