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smittysbar 01-09-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5371886)
I heard them call him one of the top 5 to 10 college football players of all time. All time is a long time, especially in college ball, and I haven't watched that much college ball. So I really can't say. He doesn't wow you, but he's money.

IMO they took that way to far. He did wow me tonight.

StcChief 01-09-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5371893)
IMO they took that way to far. He did wow me tonight.

yeah. the announcers view point may be 30 years?

googlegoogle 01-09-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5371857)
Try educating yourself about how overrated Stafford is and how (until late last season) he was considered a disappointment... considering how highly recruited he was coming out of high school.

Stafford completed barely over 55% of his passes last season and was horrible his freshman year (52% completion %, 7 TDs compared to 13 INTs).

In his two biggest games of the season this year... against Alabama and Florida (the two most NFL-caliber defenses he faced this year) Stafford was average at best (completing just over 57% of his passes) against Alabama and was horrible (under 55% completion %, 0 TD and 3 INTs) against Florida.

Both of those games were also losses.

Stafford is a fraud.


completion % doesn't matter. Stafford makes great throws.

beach tribe 01-09-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5371886)
I heard them call him one of the top 5 to 10 college football players of all time. All time is a long time, especially in college ball, and I haven't watched that much college ball. So I really can't say. He doesn't wow you, but he's money.

The fact that he has the accolades of the 5-10 best college football players of all time really can't be argued. The rest is...well...opinion,

cdcox 01-09-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 5371873)
Stafford = Ryan Leaf's composure and Todd Marinovich's resume.

See, I can make baseless comparisons too.

At least mine was based in observables.

Does Bradford have a good enough arm to make it to the HOF? Yes, with a great football brain. Does he have a great arm that you are going to write about all day? And can that arm be the basis on which you build an NFL career, ala Elway?

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

Watch his play. Ignore his statistics other than completion percentage (which I believe translates from the college game to the pros). Ignore the wins and losses. His understanding of offense is pretty limited compared to Montana, P. Manning, Brady, Jaws, etc. And he doesn't have the physical tools that Elway, Favre, Marino, etc had. He lacks the a critical number of traits that you can build on. Upper end = a little better than Chad Pennington. That is my call.

smittysbar 01-09-2009 12:13 AM

can anyone get a replay of that first long ball by Bradford were the reciever got ****ing smoked?

I thought it was clean at first (great throw BTW), but when I saw the replay it looked like he was there early, looked like the ball actually hit the defender in the back, which would mean he was defiantly there early.

Just curious, I looked in the game thread and it seemed that only a couple thought it was PI.

Mecca 01-09-2009 12:14 AM

One thing I noticed about Bradford tonight was he just lacked zip on the ball all of his passes were lobbish even the short ones.

Sam Hall 01-09-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5371917)
One thing I noticed about Bradford tonight was he just lacked zip on the ball all of his passes were lobbish even the short ones.

That's one of the main reasons I'd be more comfortable with Sanchez.

smittysbar 01-09-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5371917)
One thing I noticed about Bradford tonight was he just lacked zip on the ball all of his passes were lobbish even the short ones.

What did you think, any different opinions of him after this.

Didn't know if you have watched him much.

L.A. Chieffan 01-09-2009 12:17 AM

Bradford was overthrowing everybody, TEbow looked like Elway and Montana and Vick and VY put together

beach tribe 01-09-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5371917)
One thing I noticed about Bradford tonight was he just lacked zip on the ball all of his passes were lobbish even the short ones.

I believe I saw some zip on a few plays over the mid to deep middle.

He actually killed my thoughts of him not being able to make throws they will ask him to make at the combine or his pro day. He also threw, what looked to me to be a 20-25 yrd out. on a rope...with ease. I've had questions about his arm all yr. The guy can make the throws. No doubt in my mind.

Sam Hall 01-09-2009 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5371925)
I believe I saw some zip on a few plays over the mid to deep middle.

He actually killed my thoughts of him not being able to make throws they will ask him to make at the combine or his pro day. He also threw, what looked to me to be a 20-25 yrd out. on a rope...with ease. I've had questions about his arm all yr. The guy can make the throws. No doubt in my mind.

Right, but he isn't consistent enough. The other half of his passes don't have enough zip or float.

007 01-09-2009 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5371612)
except for the fact that he stared down the WR big time

I've seen the replay of the INT. There is no way you can hang that on the QB in any way, shape, or form. That was in the WRs hands and he didn't hold on. PERIOD.

Molitoth 01-09-2009 12:29 AM

NOOOOOOO to bradford.

beach tribe 01-09-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5371930)
Right, but he isn't consistent enough. The other half of his passes don't have enough zip or float.

Can't say I disagree. I'm only looking at it from a talent/ability standpoint.


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