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DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487702)
Carroll came out and said that Sanchez received a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee and that after speaking with his NFL contacts it was much better for Mark to return. Why would Carroll lie about that? Sanchez never refuted it. Supposedly just about everyone told Sanchez to go back to school. He didn't listen and he has now hired his brother (an attorney who has never represented NFL prospects before) to be his agent. He's making some questionable decisions.

You're completely entitled to this opinion, and nothing I say will probably make you think otherwise. Enough has already been posted to refute this line of argumentation, so I won't continue to repeat...

"The great thing is, there will be a draft. And we'll all have opinions. And there will be selections. And we'll all talk about it. It's the draft." /Herm/

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487598)
Assault charge ...dropped but hey thats a concern.

Going against the better advise of everyone around him and coming into the NFL with so little experience is a concern also.

Only a concern to you.

You think Pete Carroll is looking out for his best interests?

Were talking about a guy that cost Matt Leinart MILLIONS of dollars by telling him he should stay in school. Leinart likely would have been the #1 pick that year over Alex Smith had he declared.

Pete's pissed that his chances for a NC went to the pros. Nothing more, nothing less, and when Sanchez is drafted well before the 2nd round, Sanchez's decision will be vindicated.

It's laughable to think that Mark Sanchez will be a 2nd round pick.

DeezNutz 02-13-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487721)
OK. Most. Better?

Yes, get the money and more power to you. But It doesnt mean he should be a top 5 pick or that he accomplished anywhere near what Peyton did in TN.

I think it can be said that College FB better prepares you for the Pro game. There is a lot more to learn in FB than BB from high school to the pros.

Agreed. And thus you would also agree that Sanchez was in one of the best college programs to prepare him for the NFL?

He was in this system for years, plural. Therefore he's probably better prepared than a QB who was in a less sophisticated system for one, ONE, additional year.

Look, if 12 more games experience would make or break a player, he probably wasn't the answer to begin with.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5487628)
If you look up top 100 rankings and start to go through them, especially the ones just before Bradford decided to stay in had him in the 40-50 overall rankings. Course that is before bowl games...just saying.

Link?

Most draft sites didn't even have Sanchez LISTED, because people thought he's stay in school, like every other USC QB has done since Todd Marinovich.

The common factor?

Pete Carroll.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487656)
LMAO

And Gonzo says that Thigpen should be the starter.

Carroll has no reason, none what so ****ing ever, to have been pissed about Sanchez's decision to leave.

Think about this logically. Do you think Sanchez would have declared if he really believed, based on all the info presented to him, that he'd be a second rounder?

If this were the case, of course he would have returned to school.

This.

The lack of common sense around here amazes me.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487743)
Agreed. And thus you would also agree that Sanchez was in one of the best college programs to prepare him for the NFL?

He was in this system for years, plural. Therefore he's probably better prepared than a QB who was in a less sophisticated system for one, ONE, additional year.

Look, if 12 more games experience would make or break a player, he probably wasn't the answer to begin with.

Again, spot on.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 01:35 PM

OTWP:
I'm not going to keep going back and forth, but just a few quick points and I'm done:

- USC has talent on offense. Look at any of the Sanchez montage's circulating and you'll see WR's wide open time and time again. They blew out the majority of their competition and it wasn't just because of Sanchez. If a QB could make that difference himself than Georgia would have went undefeated.

- As for Curry not getting after the QB. Coaches make mistakes all the time. Look at the idiotic moves that were made in KC at the pro level and how players are consistently misused. Curry's lack of sacks is a discussion point, as would be a discussion about whether Sanchez can be a good come from behind QB.

-We'll see what Sanchez' final grades are in late April. I doubt he'll be top 10 in many (overall player rankings, not mocks) at the end of the day.

ChiefsCountry 02-13-2009 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487764)
-We'll see what Sanchez' final grades are in late April. I doubt he'll be top 10 in many (overall player rankings, not mocks) at the end of the day.

Bullshit on that one.

melbar 02-13-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5487743)
Agreed. And thus you would also agree that Sanchez was in one of the best college programs to prepare him for the NFL?

He was in this system for years, plural. Therefore he's probably better prepared than a QB who was in a less sophisticated system for one, ONE, additional year.

Look, if 12 more games experience would make or break a player, he probably wasn't the answer to begin with.

Yes he was in a great program. I just think game experience is huge. Like I've said, I get into these debates and it looks like I hate the kid and I dont. My concern is the less you know or the more questions you have about a player, the more nervous you should be about picking him high. The risk is higher because there is less known. There is risk in every pick, but higher picks typically have less questions. I just dont want this team too draft another Blackledge. A less experienced QB behind a bad line is historically recipe for disaster.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5487730)
Only a concern to you.

You think Pete Carroll is looking out for his best interests?

Were talking about a guy that cost Matt Leinart MILLIONS of dollars by telling him he should stay in school. Leinart likely would have been the #1 pick that year over Alex Smith had he declared.

Pete's pissed that his chances for a NC went to the pros. Nothing more, nothing less, and when Sanchez is drafted well before the 2nd round, Sanchez's decision will be vindicated.

It's laughable to think that Mark Sanchez will be a 2nd round pick.

If Sanchez isn't taken to #10 how many millions would he have lost if he returned to school and was the #1 pick in 2010?

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487764)
OTWP:
I'm not going to keep going back and forth, but just a few quick points and I'm done:

- USC has talent on offense. Look at any of the Sanchez montage's circulating and you'll see WR's wide open time and time again. They blew out the majority of their competition and it wasn't just because of Sanchez. If a QB could make that difference himself than Georgia would have went undefeated.

Ever hear of busted coverage? I'm not the one who needs a 3 minute You Tube clip to judge a QB, I've actually seen his games, in their entirety.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487764)
- As for Curry not getting after the QB. Coaches make mistakes all the time. Look at the idiotic moves that were made in KC at the pro level and how players are consistently misused. Curry's lack of sacks is a discussion point, as would be a discussion about whether Sanchez can be a good come from behind QB.

So now WF's coaching staff is reeruned, that way you can make your point. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487764)
-We'll see what Sanchez' final grades are in late April. I doubt he'll be top 10 in many (overall player rankings, not mocks) at the end of the day.

Uh, no you won't.

TEAMS don't disclose their grades on players. (unless they happen to mention a player in passing in a book or article)

I could care less how Mel Kiper Jr. grades him, or any other experts.

That's why they are sitting behind computers or TV stages COMMENTING on the draft, and not making the selections.

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487842)
If Sanchez isn't taken to #10 how many millions would he have lost if he returned to school and was the #1 pick in 2010?

How many millions would he have lost if he went back to USC and blew out his knee?

We can do this all day.

USC QB's don't leave early, even when they are more than capable of doing so.

The common factor?

Pete Carroll.

Chiefnj2 02-13-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5487848)
Ever hear of busted coverage? I'm not the one who needs a 3 minute You Tube clip to judge a QB, I've actually seen his games, in their entirety.



So now WF's coaching staff is reeruned, that way you can make your point. Got it.



Uh, no you won't.

TEAMS don't disclose their grades on players. (unless they happen to mention a player in passing in a book or article)

I could care less how Mel Kiper Jr. grades him, or any other experts.

That's why they are sitting behind computers or TV stages COMMENTING on the draft, and not making the selections.

Now you don't care where Kiper or other experts grade him, but 20 minutes ago you used it as a basis to draft him:


"There is 1 QB that is consistently getting a Top 5 grade, and one that is getting a grade anywhere from 1-10."

OnTheWarpath15 02-13-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5487871)
Now you don't care where Kiper or other experts grade him, but 20 minutes ago you used it as a basis to draft him:


"There is 1 QB that is consistently getting a Top 5 grade, and one that is getting a grade anywhere from 1-10."

God, you're an idiot.

My basis for drafting him is that he's as good a prospect coming out as past QB's I've personally rated highly - Ben Roethlisberger and Jay Cutler, to be specific.

He has every physical tool you look for in a QB, delivers the ball precisely under pressure, has a tremendous work ethic, is accurate, throws well on the run, is intelligent, played in a pro-style system that will make his transition to the NFL much easier, the list goes on and on.

Unlike the majority of this board, I don't need Mel Kiper, or Mike Mayock to tell me which prospects I should like, and which one's I shouldn't.

I watch the games for myself, and come to my own conclusions.

ChiefRon 02-13-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5487903)
He has every physical tool you look for in a QB, delivers the ball precisely under pressure, has a tremendous work ethic, is accurate, throws well on the run, is intelligent, played in a pro-style system that will make his transition to the NFL much easier, the list goes on and on..

JFC, with our current Qb situation, what else do you need to know?

We should feel thrilled if he falls to #3 because he "lacks experience".


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