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cdcox 02-10-2009 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477256)
Why?

Who in this thread has made a legitimate case for Thigpen?

No one is willing to, because they know at the end of the ledger, there will be more negatives than positives.

If you want to HOPE he'll be good, feel free.

But to expect him to is another story. He has almost everything working against him, and almost nothing working for him.
Someone must have haxored your sarcasm meter. Mecca has a good track record of sticking to the subject and many of those on the other side of any argument just want to talk about Mecca.

beach tribe 02-10-2009 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477255)
Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
No support system? They changed the entire offense just so he could run it. What the hell else do you want them to do?

SAUTO 02-10-2009 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477185)
No one is saying he can't get better. But to pass on Stafford/Sanchez you have to expect drastic improvement. There's a world of difference there.
WRONG lots of people say he cant get better

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477130)
You still treat the NFL game like math.

Was it rational for the Cards to go to the Superbowl?
Yes. They have an abundance of high first and second round draft choices, along with a head coach who coordinated a Super Bowl win, a Hall of Fame QB and a possible HOF wide receiver.

It was ridiculous that it took that franchise this long to get to a Super Bowl.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5477263)
So you're advocating passing on a QB BECAUSE of Thigpen?

You need to get you cat scanned.
In the 1st round? Sure...I am not that impressed with this batch of QBs.

I am not an armchair draft expert like all you folks though. Whatever the Chiefs decide is fine with me.

But if our guy is Thigpen I would look forward to it.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477247)
Why can't he improve?
Because he's limited to operating in a gimmick offense.

Can he improve if we stay with the Pistol? Sure.

That would be career suicide for Haley and Pioli, but for sake of conversation.

Can he improve if he's expected to play in a pro style offense?

Over time, possibly, but very doubtful.

Even QB's who played in a pro style offense struggle making the transition to the pros. History and his talent level shows he has a very minimal chance of being a successful pro QB.

Is Tyler Thigpen capable of winning a SB?

I don't think so, and I don't know how anyone could answer yes to that question.

And that's the goal here. To win a championship.

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477116)
People have stated their opinion on this for the last several months, you just don't agree with the answer.

Both of those things are fine.

People thought our offense improved with him back there last year, he showed more poise in the pocket than we've seen in awhile, he is decent sized, has a pretty strong arm.

There are some flaws for sure, but the people who want to give him another chance think those flaws can be worked out.
Yay! He's decent and has some flaws. Woo-hoo!


JFC.

dirk digler 02-10-2009 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477114)
You didn't answer my question.

Why can't Thigpen improve?

Other QBs get allll the patience in the worlllldddd. Yet Thigpen gets 8 games where the whole offense was changed in the middle. A suspect line. A suspect running game. And he gets the ball the endzone. Makes plays makes things happen...never even had a training camp as more of an after thought.

Every other young QB gets years of patience and Thigpen gets 8 games.

Why can't he improve?
That is a logical question. I am not a Thigpen hater or fan but it seems to me he has a chance to improve alot.

Reaper16 02-10-2009 06:00 PM
What about Thigpen's successes can you separate from the scheme? His mobility, I suppose. But beyond that... it just seems to me that he is completely a product of the scheme. I fear his terrible accuracy wouldn't take him far in a drop back system.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477275)
Yes. They have an abundance of high first and second round draft choices, along with a head coach who coordinated a Super Bowl win, a Hall of Fame QB and a possible HOF wide receiver.

It was ridiculous that it took that franchise this long to get to a Super Bowl.
You would have never told me that before the playoffs started. They were 9-7 going into the post season.

Its ok though, message board sports experts can be right after the fact. It is easy to do...

That last part isn't at you Dane.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5477268)
Someone must have haxored your sarcasm meter. Mecca has a good track record of sticking to the subject and many of those on the other side of any argument just want to talk about Mecca.
Yeah, it's shot today.

Been fighting a headache that a bottle of Advil can't seem to touch.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477218)
Atleast my guy could properly drop back from center and operate in an NFL offense.
how do we actually know that thigpen cant? our offensive line was horrible, any one would be skittish when taking a THREE step drop and having defenders in your face before setting up

doomy3 02-10-2009 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477278)
Yay! He's decent and has some flaws. Woo-hoo!


JFC.

Maybe you missed the part about how I want to draft a franchise QB?

JFC. (Now I'm cool like Dane!)

|Zach| 02-10-2009 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477248)
Why didn't anyone touch this one...looking for an answer...

Would a newly drafted QB have the ability to improve after 8 starts?
*cough*

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5477234)
I personally think we should draft Sanchez. I'm on record as saying as much. But to pretend that Thigpen has no future and is the worst QB in the history of the game is kind of ass-reeruned also.

Here's the deal. Herm enforced his suck on the offense. Croyle got dead, like Croyle does. Huard quit, like Huard does. Thigpen comes in. Thigpen sucks. Until someone tells Herm to stfu and see if Gailey can work some magic. We go to the pistol. We score a lot of points. Still lose.

Thiggy put up numbers in a non-pro style offense. He sucked in the second half. The offense sucked in the redzone.

But the kid made some plays. Draft Sanchez, see what you have in the kid with the offense that the coach wants to run. If he sucks, fine. If not, cool! We've got a battle on our hands for QB.

That's about the only case that can be made for him.

He is not the unequivocal QBOTF for this team.

He is also not complete ass.
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