The question about what hiring his brother demonstrates is valid, but because it goes to decision making,.


No, it's not, because he has a well-developed support system, and he has outside representation:

Case in point of what I was alluding to:



http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=218

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...nt#post5515773

That's fine, but it's a waste of successful seasons if you can't enjoy them.

Your logic here is terrible, and the resultant Ryan Sims example is meaningless as a result.


Ummm... let me just say that you might want to re-read your post. I'll leave this there.

Actually, it definitely does have bearing. Since you insist it doesn't, however, there's no sense discussing it further with you.

You made assertions is this thread. The assertions were wrong. This was gently pointed out to you by Doomy, yet you continued on about it. You were wrong. Admit it or STFU. It's bad enough that you don't seem to know a damned thing, but you can't even admit you made the obvious error? Sanchez DID, in fact, hire his brother as his agent.

Now, run along and let the adults talk. Come back when you can play nice.

I didn't see Doomy's post. I swapped the roles definitely, but those who were denigrating Sanchez were doing so on the premise that he hired his brother as his agent and his brother only, and that his brother was unqualified.

This isn't a Master P situation.

Furthermore, not only is Sanchez's brother a lawyer, but he is also advised by an agency that represents several NFL quarterbacks.

Thus, I refer to my prior assertion: claims about his lack of maturity or stupidity vis-a-vis that selection were, and remain, completely erroneous and without merit.

Ok, now you admitted your mistake. Was that so difficult to do?

As for the Master P comparison, as I stated earlier, I hadn't come down on either side of the equation. I merely noted that it's a legitimate question. Now, you feel comfortable about how it's been dealt with and, at first blush, I don't see any problem with the way Sanchez is doing this, but it doesn't mean that it's somehow off the table as a question, no matter what your opinion on the subject happens to be.

Dude, the entire premise of raising the question was done so on the belief that his brother was A) just his brother B) had no other training and C) Sanchez lacked other representation.

All were categorically false.

I presented this to you in link form, so that you could investigate it yourself. But like a true asshole, you continued on with your argument without seeing where it originated from, or its basis in reality.

If I say I don't want to draft Aaron Curry because he ****s tabby cats, it doesn't make it a legitimate red flag.

This kind of purposeful obtuseness and intellectual dishonesty is just sad.

I THOROUGHLY enjoyed this past season when my Hawkeyes went 8-4 and capped it off with an impressive bowl win. Even without trouncing it would have been an excellent season. Why? Because of expectations. I don't have any illusions of a National Championship or going to the Rose Bowl every year. Now that the Cardinals have made the SB, the Chiefs are in Bengals/Lions territory, and frankly, I expect more. No, I don't expect them to win it all right now, or even in the near future. But they need to win a SINGLE playoff game once every 2 decades for chrissakes.

The old "your logic is terrible" argument is a cop-out. Reminds me of me circa 2003. If you can't make an argument stick, just call the other guy a dummy. I'll leave it at that, I'm not gonna argue anymore about semantics.

It WOULD have a bearing, IF I was in the "we're drafting a QB at all costs" camp, but I'm not.

See, you've made an assumption about me, one that is wholly incorrect.

Oh, great, you've reverted back to child status. Shall we try again?

You made assertions. The assertions were wrong. Just because you made different arguments elsewhere, you think I should read those links and overlook what you wrote here. I don't agree.

And, as far as the specifics, your opinion does not equal fact. The FACT is that his brother is entering new territory. No matter what previous training he's had, this is a first for him. All the "yeah, but" crap in the world doesn't change that. It's still a legitimate issue to be brought up, whether you like it or not.

Um...no. Sanchez is 6'2" with an above average arm.

Sanchez will just be further behind the eight ball than even most junior QB's. He has to get experience, practice will only do so much. And then the point is can you get him that experience without killing his confidence.

True.

Think about this from Sanchez's perspective for a moment. I imagine his brother is a smart guy with Sanchez's trust and respect. If he came to me, said, "Hey, I can do this. I'll be advised by a real agent, and I can actually look out for YOU, not just my bottom line." it could be pretty persuasive.

Depends how you define legitimate.

Sure, bring it up. No problem. But it's an ancillary issue at best.

When arguments about the draft value of a player often center around his selection of an agent and his coach's "butthurt" (to stay true to the Planet lexicon), they seem pretty flimsy.

Lack of game experience. That's the one, true "legitimate" concern, IMO.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Hawkeyes season. It makes my point, although I do understand the frustration that people get when their franchise is struggling long-term.

It's not a cop-out. Your logic there IS terrible and it makes your attempt to bring the Sims example into it a waste of time. What more do you want said about it?


I never made that assumption, which means that you've made an assumption. And around, and around it goes. I think it clearly has bearing, irregardless of your position on drafting a QB. You insist it doesn't. There's really no reason to discuss it further.

I have never said he was a rapist. I did say he was arrested on sexual assault charges, but just another red flag that deserves rationalization and glossing over.

I hadn't brought that up today. Trying not to make that a part of my argument. Merely his lack of experience, his above average arm and his height are enough question marks to make me want to pass on him at #3.

The other stuff like ignoring his coach and his families advice, and the sexual assault just make me question his decision making... which was supposed to be his best asset.

I would say it's definitely something I'd bet most teams touched on in the combine interviews.

the agent deal, that is

I don't think I buy that argument.

I'm of the opinion that these guys either have it or they don't.

But that's just a gut feeling at this point in time. Just like my feelings on both Stafford and Sanchez, it will change by this time tomorrow.

What a screwed up draft to be picking #3.