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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566766)
Steve Puellar, Steve Bono, Scott Mitchell, Jeff Hosterler etc... all good NFL back up QB's on good teams who went to other teams as the starter. A NFL hot commodity is nothing more than the flavor of the day. John Elway, Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Peyton Manning etc. were not traded for as back ups. Only Eli was acquired in a trade and I don't think the Chiefs have the #1 pick this year.

Pioli is doing the same thing Carl did. However; now it's the right way to build a team.

I keep hearing "He's the guy"! "He's the guy"! "That's it, and there ain't no more"!

Yet here we sit one week from the announcement, and where is the word on this guy's 4 or more-year deal? We won't get the $$$ count, but we'll know how long he's signed for. Where is it?

And you can bet your ass if his final contract is for 3 or LESS years, his status as "The Man" is absolutely in question.

CaliforniaChief 03-08-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566781)
Once again...20 Years ago CP was the hottest GM candidate in the NFL. Three teams including the Chiefs were pursuing him. What is different today? Carl had a history of success...Scott has a history of success. Please I just want the freedom to question someone. That is what makes boards fun.

I agree with what you say...other than equating Carl's success to Pioli's. Carl has no rings. The problem is that the way Whitlock presented it was so transparently selfish that it should never have been put in the paper. People wonder why subscriptions to newspapers go down and blame the economy when the real reason is that the quality of journalism (save JoPo and a few others) is ridiculous.

Whitlock writes with an agenda to try and create stories. He wants to be the one who brings down Scott the Legend. The problem is that Pioli's first off season isn't even close to being done yet...so to start calling it into question before the body of work is even complete is premature. The Cassel trade can't be evaluated until the team is brought together.

But I do agree that discussing the moves is fun.

FAX 03-08-2009 08:04 PM

The difference between Scott Pioli and Carl Peterson is the difference between Stephen Hawking and an old lady who spends her afternoons driving around in her Ford Fairlane looking for box turtles to run over.

The only thing these two guys have in common is they have both held the title of GM for the Chiefs. That's it.

FAX

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5566846)
The difference between Scott Pioli and Carl Peterson is the difference between Stephen Hawking and an old lady who spends her afternoons driving around in her Ford Fairlane looking for box turtles to run over.

The only thing these two guys have in common is they have both held the title of GM for the Chiefs. That's it.

FAX

LMAO

KcMizzou 03-08-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5566855)
LMAO

Guy's got a way with words.

Extra Point 03-08-2009 08:22 PM

...Having failed in sports-talk radio, I’m aware the discipline requires a dramatic and healthy loosening of journalistic standards, like making innuendos at the chicks I worked with/hit on. But basic common sense and backbone are allowed and occasionally encouraged when hosting a radio show, but see the crap I put up on now on msn.com.

Supporting the new regime does not equate to rejecting the primary (and redeeming) role of the media, and bitching about the fact that I'm unimportant in this town is what I really do best.

It’s our job to acquire information and pass it along to you. Based on what we’ve seen from the Bill Belichick era in New England and our first two months with Pioli, gathering pertinent and enlightening information about the Chiefs is going to be rather difficult. Because there's nothing really to report, we like making up junk so there has to be a press release to deny what we make up.

But overall, we attempt to be a watchdog of those with power, and act like junkyard dogs when we just want to watch the game for free, and bitch at the teams for whatever reason we see fit.

Jerk-Lock

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5566846)
The difference between Scott Pioli and Carl Peterson is the difference between Stephen Hawking and an old lady who spends her afternoons driving around in her Ford Fairlane looking for box turtles to run over.

The only thing these two guys have in common is they have both held the title of GM for the Chiefs. That's it.

FAX

Hey FAX where were you 20 years ago? If you were even born then you thought Carl was that savior. Now you want to change your mind, or admit that you don't know/remember the last time this happened. Let us question the way a team is run without blind followers.

Messier 03-08-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566766)
Steve Puellar, Steve Bono, Scott Mitchell, Jeff Hosterler etc... all good NFL back up QB's on good teams who went to other teams as the starter. A NFL hot commodity is nothing more than the flavor of the day. John Elway, Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Peyton Manning etc. were not traded for as back ups. Only Eli was acquired in a trade and I don't think the Chiefs have the #1 pick this year.

Pioli is doing the same thing Carl did. However; now it's the right way to build a team.

With the exception of Jeff Hostetler I don't think any of the others started a full season before they went to their new team, and none of those QBs was being pursued by people that were involved with the franchise they came from. Cassel was wanted by Pioli and Josh McDaniels. If there are two people that know what they're getting it's these two. If there is a comparison I'd say Trent Green or Matt Hasselbeck,QB's that were wanted and pursued by people who knew them.

FAX 03-08-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566911)
Hey FAX where were you 20 years ago? If you were even born then you thought Carl was that savior. Now you want to change your mind, or admit that you don't know/remember the last time this happened. Let us question the way a team is run without blind followers.

20 years ago ... 20 years ago ... let's see ... oh, yeah - 20 years ago I was in the Amazon helping indigenous tribespeeps overcome their poverty by building a factory to make exportable little dolls out of alligator belly skin and piranha teeth. It would have worked, too, had we not kept losing our best workers in raw materials acquisition.

Anyway, I think I know what you're saying Mr. Mojo Jojo, and I subscribe to the concept of healthy skepticism. Certainly Pioli isn't perfect and he'll make mistakes. My point is simply this; we Chiefs fans have a very poor standard with which to measure Pioli. That's what makes Whittle's article so silly.

Carl Peterson kept his job - not due to the quality of his work product or outcomes - but because of the loyalty of a great man. To sit around and compare Pioli (who has three SBs to his credit already) to Peterson is absurd. That's all I'm saying.

FAX

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5566936)
20 years ago ... 20 years ago ... let's see ... oh, yeah - 20 years ago I was in the Amazon helping indigenous tribespeeps overcome their poverty by building a factory to make exportable little dolls out of alligator belly skin and piranha teeth. It would have worked, too, had we not kept losing our best workers in raw materials acquisition.

Anyway, I think I know what you're saying Mr. Mojo Jojo, and I subscribe to the concept of healthy skepticism. Certainly Pioli isn't perfect and he'll make mistakes. My point is simply this; we Chiefs fans have a very poor standard with which to measure Pioli. That's what makes Whittle's article so silly.

Carl Peterson kept his job - not due to the quality of his work product or outcomes - but because of the loyalty of a great man. To sit around and compare Pioli (who has three SBs to his credit already) to Peterson is absurd. That's all I'm saying.

FAX

And box turtles.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5566821)
I agree with what you say...other than equating Carl's success to Pioli's. Carl has no rings. The problem is that the way Whitlock presented it was so transparently selfish that it should never have been put in the paper. People wonder why subscriptions to newspapers go down and blame the economy when the real reason is that the quality of journalism (save JoPo and a few others) is ridiculous.

Whitlock writes with an agenda to try and create stories. He wants to be the one who brings down Scott the Legend. The problem is that Pioli's first off season isn't even close to being done yet...so to start calling it into question before the body of work is even complete is premature. The Cassel trade can't be evaluated until the team is brought together.

But I do agree that discussing the moves is fun.


I am with you...FYI Carl did win a NFC Championship ring as well as two USFL rings and that is three more rings than any poster on this board will ever win in pro football.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-08-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566946)
I am with you...FYI Carl did win a NFC Championship ring as well as two USFL rings and that is three more rings than any poster on this board will ever win in pro football.

:rolleyes:

Messier 03-08-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566946)
I am with you...FYI Carl did win a NFC Championship ring as well as two USFL rings and that is three more rings than any poster on this board will ever win in pro football.

Huh?

CaliforniaChief 03-08-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566946)
I am with you...FYI Carl did win a NFC Championship ring as well as two USFL rings and that is three more rings than any poster on this board will ever win in pro football.

I won three spider rings at Chuck E Cheese a couple of weeks ago.

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5566952)
I won three spider rings at Chuck E Cheese a couple of weeks ago.

So you are saying it takes nothing to win a ring. Thanks, and I'm sure Scott agrees.


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