ChiefsPlanet
Page 8 of 32 « First 4567 8 910111218 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205780)

chiefzilla1501 04-12-2009 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662025)
If Pioli is signing guys like Zach Thomas and trading for guys like Mike Vrabel, what makes you think he's interested in trading Tony Gonzalez?

It's going to have to be a WOW offer for them to trade Tony Gonzalez...

#55 overall isn't a WOW offer. Sorry drafturbators, it's clear Pioli is trying to build a contender with veteran presence...the Herm Edwards 25 and under only approach isn't the Pioli way. Gonzalez has a reasonable contract and is showing no signs of slowing down...he's not going to be traded IMO.
Because Thomas and Vrabel and Goff play positions where we need stopgap talent. Love Tony Gonzalez. And I know he's an impact tight end. But a team can function with average talent at the position. Signing those guys doesn't mean the team wants to win now. What it's saying is that this team has a million different needs so we're going to fill a few positions with 1-2 year fixes to give us a few less immediate needs to look for.

I would prefer not to trade Gonzalez. But at the same time, I don't know that he fits into the team's long-term plans.

Hootie 04-12-2009 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5662259)
1. The old, reerun regime drafted him.

2. It was only a third round pick.

3. It's a sunk cost. It doesn't matter when or where he was picked. Either he's the future or he's not.

4. I'm sure you could find plenty of takers for the shooting in the ****ing face
The old, reerun regime, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE, had a hell of a draft last year. How could anyone write off Cottam yet?

bdeg 04-12-2009 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662232)
so having Tony Gonzalez for a year, two (or maybe three) won't help Matt Cassel develop? That's not a long term goal?

And what are the odds a guy at #55 is a pro bowl caliber player? What are the odds he serves the Chiefs for 10 years?

10% and 1%?

Trust me, I'm thinking long term. If having two years of Tony Gonzalez helps Matt Cassel become a pro bowl caliber QB, I think those two years of service are invaluable to the franchise and much more productive than the slim chance the guy at #55 is anything more than a cheap, semi-productive starter who is valuable because his cap number is low.

Let's be honest...building through the draft is necessary because you can pay the guys drafted after the 1st round peanuts and half of the time they are as good, if not better, than the established starter who costs millions that has plenty of wear and tear on his legs.

75% of the guys drafted in the 2nd round end up on another team for their 2nd contract (I have no idea if this is true but I bet it's close to being right).
Which would be better for the long-term of Matt Cassel, TG or a brand new second round RT

I also think your perceptions have been skewed by CP, I think we can expect better drafting.

And the guys that aren't resigned are usually the ones who suck.

chiefzilla1501 04-12-2009 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662232)
so having Tony Gonzalez for a year, two (or maybe three) won't help Matt Cassel develop? That's not a long term goal?

And what are the odds a guy at #55 is a pro bowl caliber player? What are the odds he serves the Chiefs for 10 years?

10% and 1%?

Trust me, I'm thinking long term. If having two years of Tony Gonzalez helps Matt Cassel become a pro bowl caliber QB, I think those two years of service are invaluable to the franchise and much more productive than the slim chance the guy at #55 is anything more than a cheap, semi-productive starter who is valuable because his cap number is low.

Let's be honest...building through the draft is necessary because you can pay the guys drafted after the 1st round peanuts and half of the time they are as good, if not better, than the established starter who costs millions that has plenty of wear and tear on his legs.

75% of the guys drafted in the 2nd round end up on another team for their 2nd contract (I have no idea if this is true but I bet it's close to being right).
That's not true.

If you're looking for LBs, Guards, Centers, or RBs, #55 is a sweet spot for those positions. You can get some really good players at that level if you're willing to look. And those are all positions where the Chiefs could use some help.

Hootie 04-12-2009 12:04 PM
Last post in this thread because I truly don't care anymore...

If we trade Gonzalez, fine. I know we'll get a good deal because it really doesn't make any sense for us to trade a guy like TG when we are adding veteran talent and trying to win games starting NOW.

If we trade him and draft a TE with the pick we acquired for him (when we already have a young guy with loads of raw talent), we're ****ing stupid. I have faith that won't happen, though.

and if anyone thinks we can't compete in the West next year, I disagree with you. I'm entitled to that opinion, so **** off =)

bdeg 04-12-2009 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662273)
The old, reerun regime, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE, had a hell of a draft last year. How could anyone write off Cottam yet?
True, very good draft. One in twenty is not a good record, though.

milkman 04-12-2009 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662267)
The drafturbators rather see us win 1 game than 10 games...they think the playoffs are pointless without a Super Bowl win....
No.
We think just getting to the playoffs with no real hope of ever gitting to the SB, Martyocre style, is pointless.

I have no problem with getting to the playoffs as long as we are building to a SB.

the Talking Can 04-12-2009 12:07 PM
should a rebuilding team take a 2nd round pick for a 33 yr old TE who has given us all his best years?

uh....yeah


if you really care about Tony, let him go...

"take...these broken wings...and learn to fly again, learn to live so freeeeeee....." [/karaoke]

wild1 04-12-2009 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662273)
The old, reerun regime, ACCORDING TO EVERYONE, had a hell of a draft last year. How could anyone write off Cottam yet?
What does where he was drafted, or in what year he was drafted, entitle Cottam to? Either he's good enough or he isn't.

They have a year's worth of film on him. Maybe they don't like him. Or maybe they would like to have two good tight ends. Or maybe they will simply take the best value they see for each pick.

RustShack 04-12-2009 12:09 PM
I would hate to see Tony go... but I think WR's are a hell of a lot more important in Haley's offense than TE's... plus we have Cottam now... bottom line I'd still rather keep Gonzo.

the Talking Can 04-12-2009 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5662112)
what makes you think we can't win 10 games next year?

ROFL

other than common sense, nothing i guess....

the Talking Can 04-12-2009 12:15 PM
we would have essentially traded a 33yr old TE for a 26yr old starting QB


that is ****ing brilliant...and proof the franchise now understands how you build a team....

seriously, awesome

T-post Tom 04-12-2009 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StcChief (Post 5661998)
Good God Just say no... Clark have some integrity here. Gonzo needs to go out as Chief.

Rep. :clap:

Sure-Oz 04-12-2009 12:40 PM
2nd rounder you better take it

Hammock Parties 04-12-2009 12:49 PM
Here's the nice thing about Pioli.

He doesn't give a **** about Gonzalez.

Peterson cared way too much about him, and even though there was a deal on the table with the Falcons LAST SEASON, it didn't get done. Because Carl allowed Gonzalez to turn it down. This was confirmed by Jay Glazer.

But if Pioli wants Gonzalez shipped out, adios. I doubt he would consider his feelings.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:23 PM.
Page 8 of 32 « First 4567 8 910111218 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.