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ChiTown 04-14-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 5668290)
If TG is off to Atlanta, then what about Crabtree in the first, RT and C with the 2nd and 3rd? Most of you have stated this is an offense deep draft. Build offensive line and such this year - D next year? Just a thought.

I'd be all over that like a cheap suit.

EyePod 04-14-2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 5668355)
I'd be all over that like a cheap suit.

The only thing I hate is that we had the WORST SACK #'s IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. EVER. How do you not address defense? Are we the ****ing Lions? God I hope not.

Stryker 04-14-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5668379)
The only thing I hate is that we had the WORST SACK #'s IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. EVER. How do you not address defense? Are we the ****ing Lions? God I hope not.

Actually, I do not buy that at all. I believe this would put us from the 2 -14 team we are instantly back to the same team we were in year one with DV. An offensive juggarnaut with repairs needed on D that can be addressed next season. Back on track for contention in 2010.

Skyy God 04-14-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5668379)
The only thing I hate is that we had the WORST SACK #'s IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. EVER. How do you not address defense? Are we the ****ing Lions? God I hope not.

So we should draft a poor value (Curry) or redundant (Monroe, Raji) player in the first and the best available defenders in the 2nd & 3rd just b/c our d sucked last year? Brilliant!

If the best available talent/need mix works out to be Crabtree, C, & RT, I'd be estatic.

EyePod 04-14-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 5668385)
Actually, I do not buy that at all. I believe this would put us from the 2 -14 team we are instantly back to the same team we were in year one with DV. An offensive juggarnaut with repairs needed on D that can be addressed next season. Back on track for contention in 2010.

OK, I couldn't find the stats for 2001, but :

Year Sacks
2002 34
2003 36
2004 41
2005 29

Those numbers are all a lot higher than the Chiefs whopping 10 last season. I don't see how we increase our stats to the same as DV's just by increasing our offensive power.

EyePod 04-14-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 5668396)
So we should draft a poor value (Curry) or redundant (Monroe, Raji) player in the first and the best available defenders in the 2nd & 3rd just b/c our d sucked last year? Brilliant!

If the best available talent/need mix works out to be Crabtree, C, & RT, I'd be estatic.

I love the Crabtree pick too, but I just think we need to address our defense somehow. Do you really think that Tank can pull off the NT position?

Buehler445 04-14-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5668398)
OK, I couldn't find the stats for 2001, but :

Year Sacks
2002 34
2003 36
2004 41
2005 29

Those numbers are all a lot higher than the Chiefs whopping 10 last season. I don't see how we increase our stats to the same as DV's just by increasing our offensive power.

Jesus ****. Last year's team was aweful. **** you, Herm. Seriously.

I hope things will be better defensively.
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htismaqe 04-14-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5668402)
I love the Crabtree pick too, but I just think we need to address our defense somehow. Do you really think that Tank can pull off the NT position?

We can address our defense next year, when the defensive talent will be better.

And I sincerely think the staff is going to put Dorsey at NT.

Buehler445 04-14-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5668421)

And I sincerely think the staff is going to put Dorsey at NT.

Really? Gahhh. Wasn't he a penetrator in college?
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shitgoose 04-14-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5666347)
Taylor Mays says hello.

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This guy is a freak. Would love to see him in Chiefs uniform next season.

EyePod 04-14-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5668421)
We can address our defense next year, when the defensive talent will be better.

And I sincerely think the staff is going to put Dorsey at NT.

That's not what Tank Tyler said:

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...iefs-defensive

Also, Tank really fits into that size bracket needed for the NT position.

Here are all the NT's in the league, and their average/stdev of height and weight. Tank fits in both. BJ Raji is actually smaller in height (but not weight) for the NT position.

Actual NT players:

<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 392pt;" width="522" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 87pt;" width="116"> <col style="width: 84pt;" width="112"> <col style="width: 104pt;" width="138"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 69pt;" width="92"> <tbody><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl63" style="height: 15pt; width: 87pt;" width="116" height="20">Player</td> <td class="xl63" style="width: 84pt;" width="112">Weight (pounds)</td> <td class="xl63" style="width: 104pt;" width="138">Height (Feet, Inches)</td> <td class="xl63" style="width: 48pt;" width="64">
</td> <td class="xl63" style="width: 69pt;" width="92">Total (inches)</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Jay Alford</td> <td align="right">304</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">75</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Remi Ayodele</td> <td align="right">318</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Alan Branch</td> <td align="right">332</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">77</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Adam Carriker</td> <td align="right">308</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">78</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Kendrick Clancy</td> <td align="right">305</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">73</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Barry Cofield</td> <td align="right">306</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">76</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Lamar Divens</td> <td align="right">333</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">75</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Fred Evans</td> <td align="right">305</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">76</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Chris Hoke</td> <td align="right">305</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Maake Kemoeatu</td> <td align="right">345</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">77</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Scott Paxson</td> <td align="right">292</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">76</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Clifton Ryan</td> <td align="right">316</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">75</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Brian Schaefering</td> <td align="right">295</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">76</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Isaac Sopoaga</td> <td align="right">330</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Gabe Watson</td> <td align="right">332</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Vince Wilfork</td> <td align="right">325</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Willie Williams</td> <td align="right">305</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">76</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">
</td> <td>
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</td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Average Weight</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">315.1</td> <td>Average Height</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">75.3</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">STDEV</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">15.2</td> <td>STDEV</td> <td class="xl64" align="right">1.4</td> <td>
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

Prospective NT players:

<table style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 337pt;" width="448" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 68pt;" width="90"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 104pt;" width="138"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 69pt;" width="92"> <tbody><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt; width: 68pt;" width="90" height="20">Player</td> <td class="xl65" style="width: 48pt;" width="64">Weight (pounds)</td> <td class="xl65" style="width: 104pt;" width="138">Height (Feet, Inches)</td> <td class="xl65" style="width: 48pt;" width="64">
</td> <td class="xl65" style="width: 69pt;" width="92">Total (inches)</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Tank Tyler</td> <td align="right">306</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">B.J. Raji</td> <td align="right">323</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">73</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td style="height: 15pt;" height="20">Glenn Dorsey</td> <td align="right">297</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">73</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

Tank actually fits the mold the best out of the three. Glenn is too short and small. Raji is too short. Tank is within the weight and height.

EyePod 04-14-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5668429)
Really? Gahhh. Wasn't he a penetrator in college?
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Yes. There is absolutely no way we will play Dorsey at NT. It is very illogical.

Skyy God 04-14-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5668402)
I love the Crabtree pick too, but I just think we need to address our defense somehow. Do you really think that Tank can pull off the NT position?

From my perspective, we've invested way too much in the D-line over the last 3 years to neglect an O-line that'a sorely in need of a talent infusion in a deep draft.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-14-2009 10:55 AM

And Tank can Bench 225 pounds 4 Billion times

SBK 04-14-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 5668290)
If TG is off to Atlanta, then what about Crabtree in the first, RT and C with the 2nd and 3rd? Most of you have stated this is an offense deep draft. Build offensive line and such this year - D next year? Just a thought.

If we're not taking a QB at 3 (and we probably aren't) this seems to be the most obvious choice. I tend to doubt they'd take Raji at 3, which is the only other guy that makes any sense for a pick that high.


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