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doomy3 05-05-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5742767)
The Rams would have TOTALLY held is ass hostage. But don't take my word for it, here's the post that convinced me:

(First, I raised your exact point)


Looks pretty ****ing cut and dried to me.

Oh, that seals the deal. Because some poster on ChiefsPlanet said that the Rams would have held us hostage, then that convinces me too.

You're right, I didn't realize how ****ing cut and dried it was.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-05-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5742801)
Oh, that seals the deal. Because some poster on ChiefsPlanet said that the Rams would have held us hostage, then that convinces me too.

You're right, I didn't realize how ****ing cut and dried it was.

Oooh! This just in from THISmage across the hall:

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He was talking about while we were on the clock during the #3 pick.

We reportedly talked to the Lions days before the draft and they wanted no part of the #3 pick.

Like it or not, the leverage was at #2, not #3. We had no shot at trading down - our only hope was to call everybody's bluff and take Sanchez. They decided to stick to their board instead and I'm fine with that.
Cut and dried. Deal with it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-05-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5742798)
the idea that the trade was worked out pre-departure is ridiculous.

pioli was guaranteed nothing.

Game Plan established on Pioli's part before departure? Yes.

Guaranteed? Not necessarily.

Still; Cut and Dried. Deal with it.

Pioli Zombie 05-05-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 5742780)
wait, if curry is jesus, and sanchez is the christ child, one must be a false profit. there can't be two jesuses. thats how wars are started.

Curry is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Sanchez has performed the miraculous. He has turned one season at USC into expectations of lifting the city of New York to the Heavens.
Mark I lift your name on High. Mark I live to sing your praises. I'm so glad your in my life I'm so glad you came to save us. You came from USC to New York to show the way. From New York to the cross our debt to pay. From the cross to the grave. From the grave to the sky. Mark I lift your name on high.
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htismaqe 05-05-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5741794)
If Cassel busts, so does Pioli.

I've said this since the trade came down. People seem to think that Pioli is going to get a chance to try again if Cassel fails. I don't see that at all. Either Cassel succeeds and they're both here for 6 or 7 years or Cassel fails and they're both gone after 3. I think Carl was here for so long that Chiefs fans don't realize that other teams fire their staff after failure.

bdeg 05-05-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5742825)
Game Plan established on Pioli's part before departure? Yes.

Guaranteed? Not necessarily.

Still; Cut and Dried. Deal with it.

Wrong. every single team knew Cassel would be available for trade, if Pioli didn't have a deal in place, which he didn't, what advantage does this 'game plan' bring?

I don't have to deal with your crazy conjecture, you can stop saying that now thanks

htismaqe 05-05-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5742731)
This is ridiculous. I'm sure the Rams would have been thrilled to take a deal with the Jets for a bunch of castoffs like the Browns did. The Browns gave away the pick. Most likely because we drafted the guy they wanted, but they gave the pick away. The Rams would have NEVER made a deal like that.

The Rams were FULLY prepared to actually take him.

htismaqe 05-05-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5742722)
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. However, once Pioli traded for Cassel, I thought he made it crystal clear that he had chosen Cassel over Sanchez, like most any intelligent person would. You, and others, tried to convince everyone that because Cassel hadn't been signed to a long term deal, we would probably draft Sanchez. Pioli likes Cassel better than Sanchez. Period.

Wrong.

I said it more than anyone else, and I NEVER said that we WOULD draft Sanchez.

I said that because Cassel hadn't signed a long-term deal we COULD draft Sanchez.

Don't sit here with hindsight and pretend that just because the outcome ended up being what you wanted that you actually knew what Pioli was thinkign. That's BS and you know it.

bdeg 05-05-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5742860)
The Rams were FULLY prepared to actually take him.

:spock: convince me this wasn't just posturing

why didn't they take him, then?

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-05-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5742831)
Curry is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Sanchez has performed the miraculous. He has turned one season at USC into expectations of lifting the city of New York to the Heavens.
Mark I lift your name on High. Mark I live to sing your praises. I'm so glad your in my life I'm so glad you came to save us. You came from USC to New York to show the way. From New York to the cross our debt to pay. From the cross to the grave. From the grave to the sky. Mark I lift your name on high.
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ROFL HALLELUJAH!!!!

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htismaqe 05-05-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5742871)
:spock: convince me this wasn't just posturing

why didn't they take him, then?

It doesn't matter if it was just posturing or not.

I heard a half dozen talking heads in the 48 hours after the 1st round of the draft say that the NFL people they talked to believed that the Rams might be prepared to take Sanchez but didn't buy it from the Chiefs or Seahawks at all.

It really doesn't matter what the team's actual intention was, it only matters how teams wanting to trade up perceived it. In the end, WE probably killed the Rams' chances of trading down because everybody was convinced we wouldn't take Sanchez.

kcfanXIII 05-05-2009 09:17 PM

all i'll say is, get your popcorn ready.

Pioli Zombie 05-05-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5742853)
I've said this since the trade came down. People seem to think that Pioli is going to get a chance to try again if Cassel fails. I don't see that at all. Either Cassel succeeds and they're both here for 6 or 7 years or Cassel fails and they're both gone after 3. I think Carl was here for so long that Chiefs fans don't realize that other teams fire their staff after failure.

Why do people think they are saying anything meaningful when they say this?
When Belichick kept with Brady had Brady failed Belichick would have failed. If Aikman was a flop then Johnson would have flopped. If Montana didn't turn out great Bill Walsh gets canned within 2 years.
Yes, Pioli's success is linked to Cassels performance
Duh.
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bdeg 05-05-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5742921)
It doesn't matter if it was just posturing or not.

I heard a half dozen talking heads in the 48 hours after the 1st round of the draft say that the NFL people they talked to believed that the Rams might be prepared to take Sanchez but didn't buy it from the Chiefs or Seahawks at all.

It really doesn't matter what the team's actual intention was, it only matters how teams wanting to trade up perceived it. In the end, WE probably killed the Rams' chances of trading down because everybody was convinced we wouldn't take Sanchez.

well what you said was 'they were FULLY prepared to actually take him'
still don't understand what that means when they had the chance but chose not to
I agree with the last par though, just not the statement I was disputing.

doomy3 05-05-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5742860)
The Rams were FULLY prepared to actually take him.

Then why didn't they?


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