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Mecca 05-18-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5775122)
Which takes me back to my original thought....he never was all that good at being a 1 gapper last year,.....you said it was the coaches and their play calling....but yet they played a 4-3 which he was supposedly good at? So, maybe these coaches, this defense, and their play calling will work better for him?

He wasn't being used as a 1 gapper last year, they had him playing heavy and straight up over a guard.

I'll honestly be surprised if he succeeds in a 3-4 everything it puts focus on are things he was never known for.

kysirsoze 05-18-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLBRonaldCurryFan (Post 5772134)
Joey, Kansas City, MO 05:30 PM ET
Your Opinion on Larry Johnson and how he will do this year and why??

Warren Sapp, NFL Network
I think if Larry Johnson takes in some good quality offseason work, I think he can get 1,700-1,800 yards and double-digit touchdowns. He's a nightmare to tackle.

Maybe when Sapp was still playing. I doubt he haunts anybody's dreams nowadays. (Except possibly Claythan's);)

Jilly 05-18-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5775127)
He wasn't being used as a 1 gapper last year, they had him playing heavy and straight up over a guard.

I'll honestly be surprised if he succeeds in a 3-4 everything it puts focus on are things he was never known for.

Well, I guess whether we like it or not, we're finding out!

Red Beans 05-18-2009 06:57 PM

I know the post has gone light years away from this but the bottom line is Sapp is a fat ass loud mouth eater of swiss rolls....

Frankie 05-18-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5774796)
You are confusing LJ with Herm, Clayton was all the way over both sides of the fence on him. Way over.

But when LJ shit the bed, Clayton just laid low. He has been consistent with that obsession.

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Frankie 05-18-2009 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5774943)
yes

Which?

Amnorix 05-19-2009 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5775104)
So, it seems like Dorsey would be great at this type of defense, in spite of the criticisms, right? As long as he sticks to his position.

It depends. Defensive Linemen don't get alot of love in a 3-4 two gap system. Generally speaking their stats will suffer compared to a 1 gapper, who has far more opportunity to get into the backfield for sacks or run stops before the play even has much of a chance to develop.

Alot of people thought Vince Wilfork was wasted in a two gap style, as he is massive AND pretty quick in a short burst. But he's also a superb two gapper, which speaks to his strength.

I can't speak for Dorsey, specifically, but if he has the size/strength to perform well as a 3-4 DE, then his stats may suffer, but the defense may be fine with him there.

Fans have alot more visibility and love for a guy who compiles 10 sacks in a noisy way than for a guy who does his job, holds the point of attack, but doesn't get many sacks. The Ty Warrens of the world...

Amnorix 05-19-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5775127)
He wasn't being used as a 1 gapper last year, they had him playing heavy and straight up over a guard.

I'll honestly be surprised if he succeeds in a 3-4 everything it puts focus on are things he was never known for.

I know diddily about Dorsey, so I looked him up. at 6'1" and 297, he's both shorter and a bit lighter than you'd like for a 3-4 DE. That's more of a 4-3 DE size.

If he has good lower body strength and either or both of good hands and/or long arms, however, he might be able to do well as a 3-4 DE.

He's 30 pounds too light to be a NG. Not sure if his frame could handle that much more bulk.

Jilly 05-19-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5775691)
Which?

Sully

Jilly 05-19-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5776408)
It depends. Defensive Linemen don't get alot of love in a 3-4 two gap system. Generally speaking their stats will suffer compared to a 1 gapper, who has far more opportunity to get into the backfield for sacks or run stops before the play even has much of a chance to develop.

Alot of people thought Vince Wilfork was wasted in a two gap style, as he is massive AND pretty quick in a short burst. But he's also a superb two gapper, which speaks to his strength.

I can't speak for Dorsey, specifically, but if he has the size/strength to perform well as a 3-4 DE, then his stats may suffer, but the defense may be fine with him there.

Fans have alot more visibility and love for a guy who compiles 10 sacks in a noisy way than for a guy who does his job, holds the point of attack, but doesn't get many sacks. The Ty Warrens of the world...

Sully and I talked about this last night.....we realized my confusion was that I thought Dorsey was supposed to be explosive in attacking the QB, when his specialty was collapsing the pocket. It all makes a lot more sense to me now that I have this differential clarified.

But, like I told Sully, you can't build a defense around 1 player, right? I think great players end up great because they are versatile in their talents. Let's hope Dorsey is that way.

Frankie 05-19-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5776427)
Sully

Sully and Jilly. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

Jilly 05-19-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5776462)
Sully and Jilly. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

ROFL Depends on what story you get

milkman 05-19-2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5776448)
But, like I told Sully, you can't build a defense around 1 player, right? I think great players end up great because they are versatile in their talents.

That is not true.

DT was as far from versatile as one could be.

Jilly 05-19-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5776939)
That is not true.

DT was as far from versatile as one could be.

I think it's true. You're statement is just about as backed up as mine.

milkman 05-19-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly (Post 5776970)
I think it's true. You're statement is just about as backed up as mine.

How do you figure?
You said great players are great because they are versatile.
DT is an example of the fallacy of that statement.

Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Dwight Freeny, Randy Moss are other examples.

Versatility is a great attribute, and can lead to greatness, but it is not necessary to achieve greatness.


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