Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5799598)

I've reached the inevitable conclusion that I am a real dumbass.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5801070)

I know. I agree with you.

Everyone doesn't like old players as much as you do. Leadership doesn't have to be ancient. Why not at least bring in some younger free agents???

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5801088)

They've acquired 5 guys over 30 and 7 guys under 30, numbnuts.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5801066)

You obviously don't read to well. I said that a player can learn from a vet that plays the same position.

The examples that you've given with Grunhard and Meachem are with players that play the same position.

My point is that you guys act like Bobby Engram is going to be a leader for Tyson Jackson. Not going to happen.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5801099)

And which ones do you expect will play??? I'm talking about signing players who will play. All of the old guys that we have signed will start and take up a lot of valuable playing time that could be used to develop a player.

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5801066)

And why not sign a vet that's a little younger??? Why do they all have to be so freakin old. Why are many of you so in love with old players? There have been other veteran free agents available that are productive and are 30 and under.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5801230)

Because they DO want to build their own team/identity through the draft, but right now it's about establishing a whole new method and mindset to EVERY aspect of what we eventually want to accomplish.
If these vets were getting Carl Peterson "sweetheart deals" to the tune of 4 and 5 year contracts, then we would have something to worry about.

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5801230)

Because they DO want to build their own team/identity through the draft, but right now it's about establishing a whole new method and mindset to EVERY aspect of what we eventually want to accomplish.
If these vets were getting Carl Peterson "sweetheart deals" to the tune of 4 and 5 year contracts, then we would have something to worry about.

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5801261)

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail.

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID (Post 5801354)

God, I wish we could stop talking about Herm, but good points.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5801261)

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail.

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5802586)

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5803312)

ROFL ROFL

Dear God that is Awesome!

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5801070)

I know. I agree with you.

Everyone doesn't like old players as much as you do. Leadership doesn't have to be ancient. Why not at least bring in some younger free agents???