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PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052555)
That's what I was wondering.

I guess Mike Goff, Eric Ghiaciuc, Amani Toomer, Ashlie Lelie, Vince Redd, Zach Thomas and the re-signing of Rudy Niswanger doesn't count?
Big deal those guys were minimum risk signing and bringing them in to camp. What did we lose by having them in camp? NE routinely signed and released players including one Eric Warfield as I recall. As soon as a better option becomes available I'm sure Niswanger will be replaced but that is one of the things I don't agree with. We've got a huge hole to get out of.

OnTheWarpath15 09-10-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 6052756)
Big deal those guys were minimum risk signing and bringing them in to camp. What did we lose by having them in camp? NE routinely signed and released players including one Eric Warfield as I recall. As soon as a better option becomes available I'm sure Niswanger will be replaced but that is one of the things I don't agree with. We've got a huge hole to get out of.
You're missing the point.

Those guys were supposed to be better than what we have. They were counted on to fill holes - not just be camp bodies.

Especially on the OL.

Chiefnj2 09-10-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052767)
You're missing the point.

Those guys were supposed to be better than what we have. They were counted on to fill holes - not just be camp bodies.

Especially on the OL.
I thought that in most cases Haley said the guys were brought in to create competition.

DeezNutz 09-10-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6052416)
You need to learn to put things in context.

This board lacks a lot of that ability. A comparison to a player, a great player, merely to emphasize a point, in no way equates the two players.

But, the point is that it is moronic to keep bringing up Hali's deficiency in something that he WON'T be freaking asked to do very often!

It's like slighting Joe Montana because he doesn't tackle well.

Hali will most likely put up more sacks this season by himself than the entire team had last year.

And, it's not like he isn't used to dropping into zone coverage already. Many zone blitzes drop the DE into the flat in coverage.
The subsequent content of this post makes your initial criticism wonderfully ironic.

PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052767)
You're missing the point.

Those guys were supposed to be better than what we have. They were counted on to fill holes - not just be camp bodies.

Especially on the OL.
He gave them a chance it didn't work. Minimal risk no big loss. What's the problem? He found a replacement for sackintosh and now sackintosh is gone. Finding better people doesn't happen overnight or as fast as you would like it to be.

BTW when was it said that they were being counted on to fill holes? Were any of those guys offered huge contracts? A big part of TC is that it is a big tryout it's no different from the rest of the league.

OnTheWarpath15 09-10-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 6052803)
He gave them a chance it didn't work. Minimal risk no big loss. What's the problem? He found a replacement for sackintosh and now sackintosh is gone. Finding better people doesn't happen overnight or as fast as you would like it to be.
Finding better players shouldn't be that difficult for the Executive of the Year, especially considering who he's looking to replace.

You guys can keep making excuses for him, but overall, he whiffed big time this offseason when it came to evaluating talent - especially on the OL.

If Carl had authored an offseason where our best FA signing was Corey ****ing Mays, this place would have been at DefCon 2.

PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052825)
Finding better players shouldn't be that difficult for the Executive of the Year, especially considering who he's looking to replace.

You guys can keep making excuses for him, but overall, he whiffed big time this offseason when it came to evaluating talent - especially on the OL.

If Carl had authored an offseason where our best FA signing was Corey ****ing Mays, this place would have been at DefCon 2.
If you think finding all these impact players is going to be done in one offseason your naive and don't understand how low this team has sunk.

If he had signed those guys to huge contracts then I would agree that he had whiffed big time. If Cassell flops I'm right there with you. Bringing in vets and cutting them in training camp is routinely done throughout the league.

OnTheWarpath15 09-10-2009 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 6052855)
If you think finding all these impact players is
Stop.

Right there.

No one is asking for impact players.

We could start with finding a center, RG, and RT that don't get abused on every play.

It took 6 months to find ONE GUY that might fit that description. (O'Callaghan)

Again, no one is asking to find ****ing Pro Bowlers.

But finding guys that are better than what we have really shouldn't be that difficult - especially with 6 months to do so.

PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052878)
Stop.

Right there.

No one is asking for impact players.

We could start with finding a center, RG, and RT that don't get abused on every play.

It took 6 months to find ONE GUY that might fit that description. (O'Callaghan)

Again, no one is asking to find ****ing Pro Bowlers.

But finding guys that are better than what we have really shouldn't be that difficult - especially with 6 months to do so.

Actually it's been more than one player what about those two guys from Miami? It's not as easy as it sounds what did you honestly expect to happen?

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 6052911)
Actually it's been more than one player what about those two guys from Miami? It's not as easy as it sounds what did you honestly expect to happen?
ROFL Newdookie has a fan...

OnTheWarpath15 09-10-2009 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 6052911)
Actually it's been more than one player what about those two guys from Miami? It's not as easy as it sounds what did you honestly expect to happen?
I expected the Executive of the Decade to be able to be able to identify talent.

He thought Goff was the answer at RG. Wrong.

He brought in arguably the worst center in the league to "push" the next worst center in the league. Fail.

He spent 6 months thinking McIntosh was the answer at RT. Wrong.

Then he TRADED for a guy that is actually worse than McIntosh. Fail.


For someone that everyone seems to think can do no wrong, he sure is wrong a lot.

Again, no one is expecting the team to be rebuilt overnight.

But not being able to find players to upgrade the worst right side of an OL in the entire league is shameful for someone that gets the credit Pioli does.

CaliforniaChief 09-10-2009 12:03 PM
I personally don't think we were as active as we needed to be. When we traded Gonzo and locked Cassel in, upgrading our OL became more urgent. At least with Gonzo the QB could just chuck it 20 yards down the field blindly and know that he had a better than 60% chance of seeing #88 catch it in quadruple coverage.

That said, at least we didn't just stay put with Macintosh. With Ndukwe we might have a big problem. With Macintosh we were certain that we did.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-10-2009 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052934)
I expected the Executive of the Decade to be able to be able to identify talent.

He thought Goff was the answer at RG. Wrong.

He brought in arguably the worst center in the league to "push" the next worst center in the league. Fail.

He spent 6 months thinking McIntosh was the answer at RT. Wrong.

Then he TRADED for a guy that is actually worse than McIntosh. Fail.


For someone that everyone seems to think can do no wrong, he sure is wrong a lot.

Again, no one is expecting the team to be rebuilt overnight.

But not being able to find players to upgrade the worst right side of an OL in the entire league is shameful for someone that gets the credit Pioli does.
Does he look anywhere outside of his "buddy club"? I mean, all I'm sayin' is; his predecessor just WOULD NOT take talent from USC. I'm getting that same kind of vibe here, though in the FA market.

:shrug:

PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052934)
I expected the Executive of the Decade to be able to be able to identify talent.

He thought Goff was the answer at RG. Wrong.

He brought in arguably the worst center in the league to "push" the next worst center in the league. Fail.

He spent 6 months thinking McIntosh was the answer at RT. Wrong.

Then he TRADED for a guy that is actually worse than McIntosh. Fail.


For someone that everyone seems to think can do no wrong, he sure is wrong a lot.


Again, no one is expecting the team to be rebuilt overnight.

But not being able to find players to upgrade the worst right side of an OL in the entire league is shameful for someone that gets the credit Pioli does.
Who is out there? Who would you have gotten? I don't agree with all of Piolis decisions but I'm at least going to reserve judgement until a full season has been played. Call me crazy but I give the benefit of a doubt to people who come from organizations that have one multiple championships. I don't see how bringing guys into camp and cutting them before the season starts equates to whiffing. Signing underperformers like Kendrell Bell to big contracts is what I would call whiffing

the Talking Can 09-10-2009 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6052934)
I expected the Executive of the Decade to be able to be able to identify talent.

He thought Goff was the answer at RG. Wrong.

He brought in arguably the worst center in the league to "push" the next worst center in the league. Fail.

He spent 6 months thinking McIntosh was the answer at RT. Wrong.

Then he TRADED for a guy that is actually worse than McIntosh. Fail.


For someone that everyone seems to think can do no wrong, he sure is wrong a lot.

Again, no one is expecting the team to be rebuilt overnight.

But not being able to find players to upgrade the worst right side of an OL in the entire league is shameful for someone that gets the credit Pioli does.
shameful?


ROFL

you guys are ****ing hysterical

you beg for him to sign every piece of trash in the league (which is all there is at a certain point) ("why isn't he doing anything! any player is better than what we have!!!"), and then when he does you call him shameful, as if he were picking from a list of hall of famers during cut downs at training camp....

get over yourself, you ignorant fukwad....


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