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orange 10-05-2009 06:21 PM

Found this while responding to another post.
Owners adopt four safety-related rule changes
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
March 24, 2009


Dana Point, Calif. -- It's nothing akin to the introduction of instant replay or the "K" ball, but the NFL owners have approved four minor rule changes submitted by the league's competition committee.

All four rules were made with the safety of players in mind.

Rule Change No. 1: No blindside blocks in which there is contact to the player's head.
It will now be a 15-yard penalty if "the initial force of the contact by a blocker's helmet, forearm or shoulder is to the head or neck area" if the blocker is moving toward his own endline and he approaches the opponent from behind or the side.

In simple terms, no crackback blocks to the head. Examples are receivers blocking down on linebackers and defenders blocking back on interception or fumble returns. Under this rule, it still appears that Warren Sapp's block on Chad Clifton was legal, but I'll check later with vice president of officiating Mike Pereira when he has his officiating seminar later today.

Rule Change No. 2: No more kickoff wedges.
It will be a 15-yard penalty if players intentionally form a wedge of three or more players on a kickoff return. No more than two receiving team players can join together shoulder-to-shoulder within 2 yards of each other and block for the returner.

Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."


This would presumably cover the hit Steelers safety Ryan Grant had on Baltimore running back Willis McGahee in the AFC Championship game.

Rule Change No. 4: No bunch formations on kickoffs.
There must be at least four players on each side of the kicker and at least three of those must be lined up between the hash mark and the out of bounds line, one of which must be outside the yard-line number.

What the rule does is prevent teams from bunching up players on onsides kicks.

Look for an update to this story later in which I"ll have remarks from Pereira.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/archiv...ate=03-31-2009
The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.

BigMeatballDave 10-05-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6142520)

Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."




The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.

Actually, you are wrong. Watch the hit again. Page does not come in contact the receiver's head or neck area.

WilliamTheIrish 10-05-2009 06:38 PM

Nothing you bolded in that post took place during the tackle.

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:40 PM

It wasn't even the worst call in the league yesterday...

Crashride 10-05-2009 06:41 PM

WHERES THE GIF

BigMeatballDave 10-05-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6142601)
It wasn't even the worst call in the league yesterday...

Nobody said it was. Bad calls go for you and against you. I was pointing how orange was wrong.

orange 10-05-2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6142591)
Actually, you are wrong. Watch the hit again. Page does not come in contact the receiver's head or neck area.

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6142592)
Nothing you bolded in that post took place during the tackle.

No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.


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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6142619)
Nobody said it was. Bad calls go for you and against you. I was pointing how orange was wrong.

orange was right.

WilliamTheIrish 10-05-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6142640)
No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.

I've seen it too. Nothing to the neck. Perfect form tackle. You don't know what you're talking about.

Rant on.

BigMeatballDave 10-05-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange (Post 6142640)
No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.

LMAO Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

orange 10-05-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6142656)
LMAO Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

I could really give a shit what the announcers said - as I mentioned above, they don't even know the rule.

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6142651)
I've seen it too. Nothing to the neck. Perfect form tackle. You don't know what you're talking about.

Rant on.

And I just linked the video. Look at it all you want. The penalty yardage still stands - and it's Chiefs Homers who've posted at least two threads about it. I'm not the one ranting. I'm LMAO.

How many times would you guess in this very thread someone has said it was legal because (1) Page used his shoulder and (2) he didn't hit Smith in the head?

morphius 10-05-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6142656)
LMAO Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

He has donkeyvision, and should be ignored in general when it comes to just about anything. Pam on the jersey's, funny, not cheating, breaking the salary cap, eh... etc. etc.

I watched the video there a few times now and there is no way anyone could see a penalty.

orange 10-05-2009 07:16 PM

Jarrad Page nails Steve Smith shoulder to collarbone
 
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15 yards, 1st Down Giants!

morphius 10-05-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6142769)
15 yards, 1st Down Giants!

Sadly we will never hear if their is an apology letter from the NFL, but people often slide down from the neck to the elbow on a hard hit, lol!!!

orange 10-05-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 6142779)
Sadly we will never hear if their is an apology letter from the NFL, but people often slide down from the neck to the elbow on a hard hit, lol!!!

:LOL: "elbow"

Chiefaholic 10-05-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6141421)
Sorry guys, it looked to me as if Page led with his helmet and in real time, it looked helmet to helmet.

In reality, it was helmet to shoulder pad but the bottom line is that if you don't want to get called for a personal foul, don't lead with your helmet.

Besides that, only losers complain about bad penalties. Shake it off and continue playing.



WRONG!!! I recorded the game and watched the play multiple times. Page's helmet didn't touch any part of his head or body. It was a clean hit shoulder to shoulder. Even after commercial break, the guy in the booth admitted he was wrong and the hit was clean.


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