When you take a cluster**** and try to right the ship? WTF do you think is going to happen....

Not even Jesus himself can un**** this team after what we just went through.

It could have been much worse if Eli Manning didn't suffer an injury and had to be removed from the game.

It would have been much worse if the Giants hadn't decided to basically run out the clock with David Carr at the helm.

It could have been much worse if the Giants hadn't been playing second teamers on defense in the second half.

The Chiefs lost.

Period.

And, they looked like ****ing dogshit in the process.

Why are you putting words in my mouth all of a sudden?

I think this defense sucks, but occasionally a guy like Hali or Flowers steps up and makes a play.

I do think we have shown signs of life in the running game and will continue to get better in that regard.

We're going to be showing major signs of improvement by December. And even then you will be hating.

It's hilarious. Really.

When you start with a Shit sandwich Dane, there isnt a GM, HC or God in this universe that cand make it eatible.....I actually feel sorry at times for Haley and Pioli...

Well, I'm sure where this came from exactly, but that is neither here nor there.

But the Bucs, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, 90's Chiefs are/were outstanding defenses that got off the field, and have/ playmakers to make plays to win games in the end.

Even if the offenses didn't show up, those defenses made enough plays and stops to provide their own rests.

These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference. PLUS, that team had 2 years under herm in that crappy system. This team has had a month with the new offense not to mention the new players.

Its like comparing an apple to a hamburger...you can't.

GREAT point. We actually looked like a real football team against the Raiders. We just had a shotgun pointed at our feet.

And like I said, with such a small sample size, one good game against the Broncos is really skewing the data.

Not me.

Especially considering what Denver's done this season.

From an offensive side, it was very offensive.

From the defensive side, I don't think it was nearly as bad as you might think. It's important to focus not on the players who won't be here, but the ones who you can build around. I thought the defensive line played much better yesterday. The ILBs didn't play bad. The corners, I though, did a really good job in many instances of going toe-to-toe with receivers.

They still get inconsistent pressure because Hali is way too inconsistent and Vrabel is mostly ineffective. And we need a playmaker at safety. Most of our blown plays were the result of a safety getting there a step or two too late in zone coverage. If we bring in a playmaking safety and an OLB/DE, the defense could actually be okay. And a nose tackle would be nice too. But at least you can boil down the biggest problems to a few key positions, as opposed to an entire defense.

Well, I think you're out of your ****ing mind. As usual.

You're a certified Chiefs Fluffer. This team could be the 1976 & 1977 Tampa Buccaneers and you'd still be waiting outside the stadium to fluff each player and coach.

I don't think there are many people longing for the days of Herman ****ing Edwards.

They are simply wondering if the people in charge now are any better.

Give Denver Herm and Carl for 3 years then get back to me... Oh and sprinkle in a touch of DV for kicks....


Just saying...

Denver had more pieces than the Chiefs. That offensive line and those receivers blow the Chiefs' away.

A ****ing drunk monkey is better....

Shit we played 3 teams that have a legimate shot of a deep playoff run... Tell me that last years coached team would fair ANY better this year with Herm? Please?

Hell the Raiders put up 300 ****ing yards rushing last year at arrowhead. 300 ****ING YARDS....

I'm not a fluffer. We suck. I actually got laughed at four weeks ago for saying the Chiefs had taken a step backwards, but it has turned out to be totally true. I just don't see it as a bad thing. You apparently believe it means the franchise is full of shit and is headed for doom. I'm more patient.