This is a point that is overlooked: Those 2 years would cost us the same as what we actually guaranteed him. if he doesnt work out 28 mil if it does work we got a good deal

LOL 'Fort Arrowhead' I like it. Whitlock will probably use that one.

PhilFree:arrow:

I'm wondering if Mangini is still on the Jets payroll..lol..this is farking awesome!

The way everyone is reacting?

everyone is bitching about this and that, not the right 53 blah blah blah, has anyone heard for sure they didnt make an attempt for him?

First off this self-righteous indignation is silly. Do you think that the roster was a couple players away? That just because CP drafted a boat load of bust in the pervious 3 years we should run the 4-3? That's idiotic. It's simply pissing in the wind. Pioli took the job, probably thinking it was - using a medical analogy - a bypass operation - only to find that the patient was Terry Schiavo. He had to pull the plug and start from scratch. This team was in shambles after years of poor drafting and leaning on either too old or too untalented players. There are holes EVERYWHERE and there are only so many draft choices a team has... Second guessing is fine - but use some context. If we had drafted Jason Smith - we'd have ****ing Brokie still getting killed and everybody would be up in arms about it. If we had drafted Sanchez - nothing would have changed - Dirty would be just as dead as Cassel looks.

If we look at this honestly - there were simply too many holes and changes to be made to expect a good year.

I think we need to think (HOPE TO HELL) that this a bloodletting year and that we can take a step forward next season - a la JJ in Dallas 89/90 or even BB first to second year jump with the pats. Otherwise, I dunno... Some people are less reactionary than others, I understand... so, ya know... get all pissed off and tell your buddies what you'd have done as GM - if that make you feel better...

I hadn't considered that. Good point.

Why are you getting your panties in a knot about a guy that's had one good season in a 4 1/2 year career with hands of stone and a bad attitude? And that you had no idea about who was involved in terms of which teams were offering what.

And how did he mismanage the offensive line? They brought in Mike Goff in the off-season, and then upon the realization that this was not a good line, made moves for Alleman, Ndukwe and O'Callaghan. Coming in to the situation, one would have thought that having a first round draft pick (Albert) and a perennial All-Pro in Waters would have given you a decent chance at putting together a decent offensive line, especially when you add a guy like Goff, who had a good year last year. Going into the draft, they couldn't have thought that it was going to be this bad, that the deficiencies that were there were correctable with better coaching. It was that bad though, and they have made steps to remedy the situation although at this point there is only so much you are going to be able to do, especially with the offensive line as most teams would rather give up their left nut than a competent offensive lineman.

As well, they were relying on Carl's scouting department going into this last draft, and I don't think that there is a single person here who would characterize the Chiefs ability to objectively and properly evaluate talent through the Carl Peterson period as good.

If anyone didn't think that this new FO and coaching was going to view this season as anything other than a year long adjustment period and the first baby step in a complete overhaul was fooling themselves. And to make a statement such as "two strikes against," especially at four games into their first season after 20 years of Carlism, is nothing short of complete myopia.

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and IMO he was going to get two years worth of a shot anyway. Isnt a 2nd round pick at least deserving of that?

WTF?

Goff didn't have a good year last year.

He was clearly on the decline, and was sucking ass.

And making moves for other team's scrubs is not addressing the problem.

And anyone coming into a situation that has two good O-Lineman, and three suckass lineman who would think that the line has a reasonable chance of being good would be a ****ing moron.

So what would you have them do? It seems if Haley tries to run the ball at any time in the second half, you castigate him as a quitter, but now when he throws the ball, he's padding the QB's stats? You can't have it both ways. And after the second touchdown in the Giants game, there was still 5:00 minutes to play. I don't think that with 5:00 minutes left and the game is still conceptually still in reach, that it's padding the stats.

Do you really think they'll cut him loose after 2 seasons if he's not performing?

I'd be shocked if he's here any less than 4.

People can say all we're on the hook for is the $30M guaranteed, but that's if we actually cut him loose.

If he's on the roster, he gets his salary. And like I said, I'd be shocked if they were to cut him before that contract expires - or at least until he got most of it.

I'm wondering if Mousaquis play helped the Browns make this trade.

You haven't seen the Rams this season I take it?

Hands down the worst team in the league.

I think it's tough to get a bead on the satellite from there.

Maybe he's facing north...