So what, the reason he was signed in the 1st place because supposedly he could run a NFL offense with no "rookie" mistakes.

He was paid 63 million dollars with 28 guaranteed his time is now.

The only way Jackson becomes the player he was billed to be is if he becomes that solid guy who you can build a defense around, as Pioli compared him to Russel Maryland. If in two years that front seven is not one of the best in the league anchored by Jackson, then Jackson will not have lived up to his draft position.

Four years in the NFL doesn't constitute "youth".

Four years would be "veteran".

If he's "Russell Maryland", I'll be even more pissed that the Chiefs took him #3 overall.

That ****ing fatass played 4 years for the Dallas Cowboys before moving onto the Raiders and finally Packers.

That's a pretty shitty career, IMO.

Tyson Jackson will NEVER live up to the #3 overall position, which is what makes his selection even worse.

Well... quite a few of the young guys that excelled last year have started this year. Brandon Carr was pretty raw when he arrived. He still is in some ways. But the experience he got last year, while making mistakes along the way, dramatically improved him and locked him in as a starter this season. Same for Mike Cox, who played almost out of necessity. Tank, who had improved quite a bit over last season, got valuable experience at times last season. Enough to require a draft pick in trade. This year Kenny Smith was brought in. Need I remind you when his last action was?

Like you said, somebody definitely needs to find good football players though. I haven't seen any improvement on that.

Disagree because midway through 2007 they began giving the young guys more playing time. It didn't begin during the 2007 offseason, but it did begin during that season once things went south.

And again, bringing in youth at critical positions is just terminology. They brought in a guard to convert to a franchise LT, and ended up passing on the best LT in the draft. They brought in a RB that has provided little to no impact to the running game aside from fumbling. They brought in a TE who can't play. And everyone on defense contributed, again, to a historically bad defense.

If they had actually done their job and drafted well, and also not built their youth movement around Brodie Croyle, they probably would have won more than 2 games and saved their jobs...

25 years old goes against the youth movement which was the original point of the post?

Yeah, because you're basing it on stats. I base it on the fact that he was the anchor of a defense that won three super bowls, was in Jimmy Johnson's own words critical to their success, and did a lot of the dirty work up front. If Tyson Jackson is the anchor to a defense that wins even one super bowl, he will have been a huge success...

If Jackson turns out to be Russell ****ing Maryland, Pioli deserves to be drawn and quartered in Lot G in front of every Chiefs fan alive.

Anchor of the defense my ass.

Give me Charles Haley and Jim Jeffcoat, FTW.

I'm not just referencing 07-08 here, I'm talking Carl's history here. We've tried it with veterans, we've tried it with young guys, and it never went anywhere. And by anywhere, my measure is winning the Super Bowl.

And you know what, that "worst roster in the league" became the worst roster under whose watch? So of course anyone coming in here is going to rip it apart. You think Carl actually was building a core that could win the Super Bowl?

Wow, OK. I guess Jimmy Johnson is just a dumbass who didn't know what the **** was going on with his own defense...

Dude, it doesn't work like that. The Chiefs didn't go with a youth during the 2007 season. They drafted guys to play on the defensive line because they were necessary. There were no other new "young" guys out there. Donnie Edwards?

What? Clearly, you know nothing about offensive line play. Albert was a guard that pulled and played very well in space. He's a natural left tackle and the ONLY reason he played guard is because Eugene Monroe could ONLY play tackle.

How didn't they "pass" on the best left tackle in the draft when they didn't have a pick to draft him? Are you stating that the Chiefs should have passed on Dorsey, who was the unanimous best player in the draft, to take Clady, who was a questionable run blocker?

Clady wouldn't have the same success in KC as he does in Denver because the Chiefs don't zone block.


So Charles has had no impact? For a third rounder? Huh. I thought he played pretty well in the spread last year, touching the ball 67 times for 676 yards, good for 6.6 yard per touch. You're bitching about that?

Cottam is a receiving tight end, not a blocking tight end. Haley hasn't played him. Haley doesn't like anyone that was here before.

No ONE is stating that the defense was in place. But they're no better this year and that's after drafting three defensive players with their top three picks AND dumping three starters from last year's squad.


So, since the Chiefs are likely to go no better than 2-14 this year after building their team around Cassel, Jackson, Magee and Washington, should they be fired as well?

I mean, one year is long enough to rebuild, right?

JFC.

If you were talking about a 25 year-old rookie or second year player, I might agree.

But a 25 year-old, four year veteran does not count as "youth", no matter how you try to twist it.

Had the conversation been about any other player, he would have called them an anchor as well - it's not like he's going to shit on his players.

And personally, I could give two shits what JJ thinks. If Jackson is a Russell Maryland clone, we've been ****ed right in the ass.

I'm not saying RM is a scrub - not at all - but you better get a lot more out of a 3rd overall pick.