ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=220265)

RippedmyFlesh 12-21-2009 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6366149)
There is no reason to retain Haley other than the fact he's under contract for 4 more seasons.

I hope that's not a good enough reason.

Sadly that seems to be the MO with the chiefs. **** they do that with asst coaches let alone head coaches.

thebrad84 12-21-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 6366649)
I wonder if Clark k nows we lost the game.

Surely he's read the New York Times sports section by now..

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2009 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6366209)
I personally don't agree with how Haley calls a game, or how he manages and handles his team.

But I will say this, he's a rookie head coach, and was given a crappy roster from the start. Im not trying to stick up for the guy, all Im trying to say is, it would be hard for most coaches to thrive under those circumstances.

BULLSHIT.

Haley has made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he will magically "improve" as a head coach.

For ****'S SAKE, it took him 14 GODDAMN WEEKS to put the best offensive lineman on this roster on field! Did you SEE how much time Cassel had yesterday? Did you SEE his protection?

And ****, it took 14 WEEKS to get Cottam INVOLVED? Bradley INVOLVED? How many weeks did it take to get Charles INVOLVED?

He's a ****ing ASS CLOWN. He's clueless as to personnel and he continually calls STUPID ****ING PLAYS.

And to THINK that there were people around here bitching about AL SAUNDERS playcalling?

FIRE THAT MOTHER****ER.

Fire him NOW.

burt 12-21-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6367113)
Did you SEE how much time Cassel had yesterday? Did you SEE his protection?

no.....I was blacked out........

Fish 12-21-2009 12:31 PM

I'm taking the "Maybe" approach along with Dane....

ToxSocks 12-21-2009 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6367113)
BULLSHIT.

Haley has made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he will magically "improve" as a head coach.

For ****'S SAKE, it took him 14 GODDAMN WEEKS to put the best offensive lineman on this roster on field! Did you SEE how much time Cassel had yesterday? Did you SEE his protection?

And ****, it took 14 WEEKS to get Cottam INVOLVED? Bradley INVOLVED? How many weeks did it take to get Charles INVOLVED?

He's a ****ing ASS CLOWN. He's clueless as to personnel and he continually calls STUPID ****ING PLAYS.

And to THINK that there were people around here bitching about AL SAUNDERS playcalling?

FIRE THAT MOTHER****ER.

Fire him NOW.

Damn dude, calm your ass down.

14 weeks to get Bradley Involved? Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you not watch him drop the ball every week? Who the hell wants Bradley involved?

And who is this magical offensive lineman that instantly gave Cassel time? I know you're not saying Barry Richardson right? because he looked like ass when he played with the first unit early in the season. And the O-Line has been improving every week, thanks to the improved play of Albert. To chalk it up to Richardson is a bit premature.

And lets not forget, these O-Linemen were playing the browns here.

What you fail to mention is that his play calling is improving every week. He has found things that work for this team. The hurry up O is pretty cool, the motion is a nice wrinkle. He knows how to run Jamal Charles.....The O looked way better with Bowe in there taking pressure off of Chambers. This O made strides, have been making strides.

Ralphy Boy 12-21-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 6366173)
I think JW put his finger on it. Blame the assistant coaches. If you bring back Haley, you need to show blood to the fans in order to prove that you are sincere about changing losing ways. You start with the assistants. If the failure continues, then you can make a change at the top.

Purely speculation on my part, but I'd say he's more inclined to keep those that he hired, replace the ones he didn't and demote Clancy but keep him on staff. He and Pioli could care less if the fans are out for blood.

Personally I think you grade each unit individually and those who are worthy keep their job. At some point, you have to be realistic and acknowledge that certain position coaches are better than others even though a good DB coach can't make up for a horrible DL coach. Clancy peaked as a DB coach; he's been coaching past his skill level ever since.

Though we don't actually have a DB coach, Ronnie Bradford is a defensive assistant who's worked with them this season. He's never been given the title of DB coach, but that could be because Clancy is going to move into the role, like he did in Dallas in 01 & 02.

Not sure which of these idiots thought that getting rid of Pollard was a good idea, and they should lose a testical for it, but all in all that group has been pretty well coached. I haven't looked at how many deep passes we've given up, we're ranked #19 in total passing yards yet we've only got 19 sacks. That makes me think that if we had some QB pressure, the passing game would improve pretty easily. Those 19 sacks happen to be the 2nd lowest total in the league and 28 teams have 25 or more this season.

We are tied for the #22 spot in interceptions, with 11, but teams are completing 59.1% of their passes against us and have a 89.6 QB rating. Having all day to throw obviously results in higher stats in those areas. Slow safeties play a factor too. Then again, when you are playing a team that's ranked #31 in rushing yards allowed, why pass?

Bill Muir probably deserves some credit for coaching the crap he inherited and showing progress as the season has gone on. Cassel was sacked 24 times in the first 7 games compared to 17 times in the last 7.

Fire the WR coach (Dedric Ward and Richie Anderson). There is no way you lead the league in dropped passes and don't fire the WR coach.

Just saying that when you are as bad as we are, you take baby steps and you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Chiefnj2 12-21-2009 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6367113)
BULLSHIT.

Haley has made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he will magically "improve" as a head coach.

For ****'S SAKE, it took him 14 GODDAMN WEEKS to put the best offensive lineman on this roster on field! Did you SEE how much time Cassel had yesterday? Did you SEE his protection?

And ****, it took 14 WEEKS to get Cottam INVOLVED? Bradley INVOLVED? How many weeks did it take to get Charles INVOLVED?

He's a ****ing ASS CLOWN. He's clueless as to personnel and he continually calls STUPID ****ING PLAYS.

And to THINK that there were people around here bitching about AL SAUNDERS playcalling?

FIRE THAT MOTHER****ER.

Fire him NOW.

7 more drinks for a Monday afternoon.

ToxSocks 12-21-2009 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6367159)
Purely speculation on my part, but I'd say he's more inclined to keep those that he hired, replace the ones he didn't and demote Clancy but keep him on staff. He and Pioli could care less if the fans are out for blood.

Personally I think you grade each unit individually and those who are worthy keep their job. At some point, you have to be realistic and acknowledge that certain position coaches are better than others even though a good DB coach can't make up for a horrible DL coach. Clancy peaked as a DB coach; he's been coaching past his skill level ever since.

Though we don't actually have a DB coach, Ronnie Bradford is a defensive assistant who's worked with them this season. He's never been given the title of DB coach, but that could be because Clancy is going to move into the role, like he did in Dallas in 01 & 02.

Not sure which of these idiots thought that getting rid of Pollard was a good idea, and they should lose a testical for it, but all in all that group has been pretty well coached. I haven't looked at how many deep passes we've given up, we're ranked #19 in total passing yards yet we've only got 19 sacks. That makes me think that if we had some QB pressure, the passing game would improve pretty easily. Those 19 sacks happen to be the 2nd lowest total in the league and 28 teams have 25 or more this season.

We are tied for the #22 spot in interceptions, with 11, but teams are completing 59.1% of their passes against us and have a 89.6 QB rating. Having all day to throw obviously results in higher stats in those areas. Slow safeties play a factor too. Then again, when you are playing a team that's ranked #31 in rushing yards allowed, why pass?

Bill Muir probably deserves some credit for coaching the crap he inherited and showing progress as the season has gone on. Cassel was sacked 24 times in the first 7 games compared to 17 times in the last 7.

Fire the WR coach (Dedric Ward and Richie Anderson). There is no way you lead the league in dropped passes and don't fire the WR coach.

Just saying that when you are as bad as we are, you take baby steps and you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I think Dedric ward gets the AX, but not Richie Anderson. Anderson is one of Haley's boys, more so than Ward. At least that's the way it seems to me. I like the idea of demoting Pendergast to DB coach. Bring in Crennel to run the D. At that point, we would have a defensive coaching staff with some good credentials. A superbowl wining DC, a DB coach with DC experience and a defensive assistant with DC experience.

Offensivly, bring in either Wiess or some young, innovative hot shot from the college ranks. (God, please don't promote a current assistant to OC, please, please).

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2009 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6367149)
Damn dude, calm your ass down.

14 weeks to get Bradley Involved? Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you not watch him drop the ball every week? Who the hell wants Bradley involved?

And who is this magical offensive lineman that instantly gave Cassel time? I know you're not saying Barry Richardson right? because he looked like ass when he played with the first unit early in the season. And the O-Line has been improving every week, thanks to the improved play of Albert. To chalk it up to Richardson is a bit premature.

And lets not forget, these O-Linemen were playing the browns here.

What you fail to mention is that his play calling is improving every week. He has found things that work for this team. The hurry up O is pretty cool, the motion is a nice wrinkle. He knows how to run Jamal Charles.....The O looked way better with Bowe in there taking pressure off of Chambers. This O made strides, have been making strides.

Wow, you REALLY don't get it, do you?

First off, Barry Richardson is a second year player. He started 40 games at Clemson at left tackle. The Chiefs moved him to right tackle. He has IDEAL SIZE for a right tackle at 6'6, 325 pounds. I don't give a FLYING **** if he wasn't the the "best" right tackle when training camp broke. He has the most UPSIDE and clearly the most potential out of all the broke-dick ****S they stuck out there. The Chiefs weren't going ANYWHERE this season, which is why you put your best and youngest players on the field and let them GROW TOGETHER.

Instead, it took Haley 14 WEEKS to put the best offensive line on the field. That's ABSURD.

As to Bradley, SO ****ING WHAT? He dropped some passes. Big ****ing DEAL. The guy has been used so sparingly, what did you expect? He is the second most talented receiver on the Chiefs squad. To SIT him for 10 weeks for not getting a first down is, once again, ABSURD. The guy SHOULD HAVE BEEN on the field each and every week. Why? Because his presence gives the Chiefs the BEST CHANCE TO WIN. Regardless of drops.

Mecca 12-21-2009 12:56 PM

Barry Richardson is exactly the kind of late Oline pick that usually succeeds. A guy who starts 40 games at a top 25 school at LT will generally make it.

MahiMike 12-21-2009 12:57 PM

"Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver."

This pretty much sums it up. Other than Jamaal Charles, who's a stud on this team? You can't blame Haley for the players and you certainly can't blame him for trying to find a WR that can catch a freakin' ball. I'd much rather he played MORE musical chairs with WR's until he finds a couple that stick. Bowe went thru all of training camp, has 4 weeks to get healthy while practicing with the gun machine and he still can't catch. Haley called the plays to win, Cassel threw them on target and they lose scoring 34 points. This is just one game but a great example of how devoid of talent teams like Chiefs, Rams and Lions are. Coaching just isn't that important with that talent. About the only shortcoming I see of Haley is the defense - particularly the play of the d-line. I'd fire the D-line coach and the DC, draft Suh, a center and a LB or 2, trade for Boldin and kick some butt next year.

Mecca 12-21-2009 12:58 PM

And guess what, Todd Haley kept running LJ out there over Charles. Charles still wouldn't be seeing the field if LJ hadn't opened his mouth.

This team has little talent but that doesn't excuse him being a dipshit.

Fish 12-21-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6367237)
"Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver."

This pretty much sums it up. Other than Jamaal Charles, who's a stud on this team? You can't blame Haley for the players and you certainly can't blame him for trying to find a WR that can catch a freakin' ball. I'd much rather he played MORE musical chairs with WR's until he finds a couple that stick. Bowe went thru all of training camp, has 4 weeks to get healthy while practicing with the gun machine and he still can't catch. Haley called the plays to win, Cassel threw them on target and they lose scoring 34 points. This is just one game but a great example of how devoid of talent teams like Chiefs, Rams and Lions are. Coaching just isn't that important with that talent. About the only shortcoming I see of Haley is the defense - particularly the play of the d-line. I'd fire the D-line coach and the DC, draft Suh, a center and a LB or 2, trade for Boldin and kick some butt next year.

LMAO

Mecca 12-21-2009 01:01 PM

He must just turn off his TV when he watches Haley make 4th down decisions.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:43 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.