and the sad thing is I personally think Manning is a better QB...but the way you shit on Brady is reeruned.

Ever heard of derek anderson?

I guess somehow people forget how well Peyton Manning played in that Super Bowl against the Bears...

Against the best defense the league has seen since the Ravens won the Super Bowl earlier in the decade...

But you're right...that was all Grossman and the Colts defense.

Yes.

Manning doesn't take that sack/strip.

Manning doesn't throw 2 first quarter picks.

Tom Brady put his team in a hole they couldn't crawl out of. If Mannings there, but Ravens could've never gone into the bombshell offense they went into.

You genuinely believe Manning would've lost to a team that completed 4 passes?

well I guess we get to find out tonight...

and if you're asking...

I'm thinking Colts 24 Ravens 13

"every time the colts ask peyton to win the game, he delivers"

Lol peyton is playing on the patriots tonight?

They try and talk about weapons...

Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch...

Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open.

And lets be honest...

Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.

he went 25/38 for 247 2tds 1int
Grossman 20/28 165 1td 2int

The guy is a great player, Id never doubt him for that and Im glad to see an improvement in his character.

You have no disagreement from me that their defense has been a problem for them. However, this is where I am trying to get at, Moss does have a weakness. His work ethics are questionable at times. They are. When times are tough, I don't view him as the type of player who puts forth enough of a concerted effort to help his team win. He has a lack of fortitude.

Thats the way I've always interpreted him. And we all know the Patriots as an organization with players that have loads of players with fortitude and effort. Those characteristics have been a staple of the Patriots franchise over this last decade. It's pretty much been their blueprint over the years and another reason why they were world champions. Now, anytime you add guy like Randy Moss into that mix, it has an effect on their overall chemistry and morale. Not exactly a good blend if you ask me.

I will admit, the first pick was awful. The 2nd one was bad, but the strip, come on man.

It was like matt light wasnt even there. He did NOTHING on that play. Even peyton doesnt get the ball off that fast.

Grossman also fumbled twice and it wasn't pressure because he was only sacked once.

no but he's playing the team that made Tom Brady look like an inferior Matt Cassel

Peyton ever have wide recievers that quit on routes?

My memory is that Brady patted the ball just beofre getting blasted.

Manning doesn't pat. He throws on time or he throws it away.