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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6530663)

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Two UDFAs in there, btw.

The board meltdown will be at a level heretofore unseen on all of the internets.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6530677)

Cleveland has a bunch of highly drafted and highly paid offensive linemen, it's really winning them a lot of games isn't it?

they drafted a qb in the first round
they drafted a playmaking wideout top 5
They drafted a playmaking tight end top 10

how are those gambles turning out? Their best drafted player is their LT Joe Thomas who was drafted top 5.

Cleveland is a bad example. They are the mold of how taking playmakers high can burn your ass if it doesn't work out.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6530589)

What if he trades down and we end up with just another bum?

Getting extra picks isn't the key to winning, the 49ers one year traded down 3 times and got Rashaun Woods out of the deal, that's a fail.

But we arent the niners. They gambled and it didnt pay off. This whole thing is a ****ing crapshoot anyways. You just have to hope you land a guy that has the work ethic and wants to take it to the next level and you have to hope he's not injured.

We could gamble and it doesnt pay of, or we could gamble and it pays off. We just have to hope the guy they pick a guy thats goign to be good to great in the NFL.

The best case scenario for us is to trade back with Buffalo so they get their qb and we add a second rounder and fall back to 9 and still get McClain. Take the second we got as comp for moving back and package it with Atls 2nd to move up to take a guy that slips into the mid 20s like Graham, Earl Thomas, Dez Bryant, Taylor Mays, Dan Williams, Witherspoon, Iupati.

I would love for us to finally have a defensive leader with our first rounder and it would be great if we could have added value for the pick as well.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6530646)

He won't.

Don't worry.

Neither you nor I know whether he will or won't.

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 6530839)

Neither you nor I know whether he will or won't.

We know he wont, because unlike you we can tell who fits where and what upside they have. You just guy buy what the "experts" who are wrong every year say because you don't watch football. Let me guess, you wanted Curry last year too?

ROFL

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6530671)

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Jim Zorn was actually a pretty good QB, who would have had a lot more success playing on better teams.

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6530841)

you may think but you don't know. If you KNOW who's going to be good and who won't, you should be working for an NFL team or at the least ESPN or NFL network. Since you know more than the "experts" and all

I'm sure it's just a matter of cosmic randomness that the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers draft better than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6529965)

...then they found something in his game that indicates that he'll have trouble transitioning to the next level. They guy doesn't have the best fundamentals (shoulder pad tackles virtually everytime), has a potential question mark about a lingering shoulder situation, and his numbers in his junior year took a nose dive - at least in comparison to his freshman and sophomore stats. (And yes, I understand that he played up this season rather than being a ball hawk, but his tackle numbers were the same, his sacks went to zero and his interceptions were cut substantially.) He doesn't possess ideal size, especially for the next level. He could be Ed Reed based on his athleticism and passion for the game. He could be Bob Sanders - passion for the game, but because of the size, he can't stay healthy and on the field. He could be just another guy that ends up at the nickle if he doesn't learn to wrap up or can't handle the size of modern NFL tight ends and the like.

He's a stud and has potential, but it's not like he's a slam dunk.

This is my take as well, and I was one of the biggest Berry homers on here from the beginning. I still think he has the potential to be amazing, but there are definitely a few concerns with him, namely his fundamentals, lack of production this year, and small stature. He could just turn out to be a ballhawk freakshow like Ed Reed, but it's not 100% guaranteed.

If we pass him up for someone like McClain or Haden, I might be a little disappointed but I won't freak out or anything.

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6530462)

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

Graham is so much more explosive than Hali it's not even funny. The Hali-Graham comp is terrible.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6530954)

I'm sure it's just a matter of cosmic randomness that the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers draft better than everyone else.

No, they have RustShack and Mecca in their scouting departments apparently.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6530954)

I'm sure it's just a matter of cosmic randomness that the Colts, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers draft better than everyone else.

The funny part? I haven't met a single Packer fan who doesn't hate their GM Ted Thompson