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orange 03-21-2010 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6619637)
Well then, he (Al Groh) was talking out of both sides of his ass, wasn't he.

Actually, YES - but understandably so.

The interview you heard he was probably fluffing Albert before the draft.

The next year he was fluffing Monroe.

But don't kid yourself - they weren't ever going to put the #1 recruit in the country on the bench or out of position (or transferred out) for Branden Albert.

aturnis 03-21-2010 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6620523)
I'm sorry but you've said absolutely NOTHING.

You're speculating and have provided NO facts.

:shake:

Coming from you, I expected as much.

Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have some proof of your allegations.

That is, unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

Actually, that's pretty well all fact. I guess it just depends on how you want to read certain information and what you believe. If you have any facts to the contrary of what I have posted, let me know.

aturnis 03-21-2010 02:25 AM

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If he can make the change in footwork, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so again, if the footwork pans out. No problem.
This is no less factual than you saying b/c he WAS a LG, he can't play RG.

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Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.
And your proof that this isn't the case? Adam Caplan is the one who reported he failed the physical, all other reports I've seen have cited Caplan. I believe there are a few articles quoting the need to go bigger. Don't know if they cite the same source. Prove it wrong.

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Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?
Which part isn't fact there? Disprove it.

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Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.
Did he not start 19 games including the superbowl?

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So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.
Alright, you may have me here. He does come from a poor running team, and I can't disprove that he's not the problem. While he may not be the best run blocker on that line, he's definitely not the worst. Whatever.

You have you're opinion, I have mine. I don't think this fixes everything, but it is DEFINITELY an improvement. Wade Smith could have been just fine at this spot I agree. He did get some jack though. Lilja is an upgrade to what was on the roster once Smith left, and his contract allows him to be replaced. It's a good move.

BossChief 03-21-2010 03:54 AM

I wonder if they are gonna cut Waters....

Slainte 03-21-2010 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6620559)
I wonder if they are gonna cut Waters....

Why would you say that?

spanky 52 03-21-2010 06:14 AM

I have thought they'd cut Waters also. They paid him a 1.5 million roster bonus that was due by the l5th of March. So I figured they'd keep him. But Indy also paid Lilja a roster bonus before they cut him so maybe that was insurance in case the Chief's didn't sign a replacement for Waters.

If that's the case then we're okay at LT, LG and RT. I know O'Callahan leaves much to be desired but I think he can play another year at RT. I don't know if Weigman can handle another year at C and who's the RG. I have serious doubts about Brown and Ndukwe.

That's what I like about Saffold of UI. He's versatile and could probably start at RG and than move out to RT next year. Only problem is the Chief's would probably have to take him with the 36th pick as he's rising fast on most draft boards.

TheGuardian 03-21-2010 07:15 AM

Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

milkman 03-21-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6620586)
Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

If Mawae was ever on the Chiefs radar, I highly doubt he's on there any longer with the addition of Weigman.

chiefzilla1501 03-21-2010 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6620586)
Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

He wouldn't do anything different than Wiegmann.

Wiegmann is only there to buy us a year or two until we find someone younger who can be a solid long-term option.

I don't see any reason why we'd bring in Mawae. Wiegmann probably wins the job this season and the #2 Center is hopefully a bright young prospect.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620519)
And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.



Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.



Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?



Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.



So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

And you're just plain dense.

Lilja failed a physical.

Aturnis: I HOPE he's fine.

Lilja's been a left guard his entire career.

Aturnis: I HOPE he can play right guard.

The only team that wanted to sign Lilja was 4-12 last season.

Aturnis: THIS team believes in him.

Lilja was released AFTER given a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus.

Aturnis: They wanted to go bigger.

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Your entire stance is based off of HOPE, not fact. You couldn't dispute even ONE point that laid out for you.

But please, continue to embarrass yourself.

Titty Meat 03-21-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620399)
Lets stay away from sister ****er and hope that Kyle Calloway is still there in the 4th. Then get a center in the 5th/6th.

Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

BossChief 03-21-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slainte (Post 6620561)
Why would you say that?

I don't think they signed Lilja to play right guard, to me that doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them trade Waters for a 6th or 7th rounder during the draft and start Lilja at LG.

I can say this, if we do play him at RG, we are asking for it to backfire on us in multiple ways.

1) I dont think Lilja benefits our young emerging superstar in Jamaal Charles in the running game.

2) I dont think he can just be inserted into a new position that has totally different responsibilities and excel or even hold par. I think he would get blown up at RG.

3) I think that even though WE dont like Rudy, that doesn't mean the staff/team isnt in love with him, he was voted the ol mvp http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/brandon-...efs-com-awards . I think they have in mind what some of us do and that is moving him to the right side where he was very effective a couple years ago in limited action. but what do I know, I thought Herb Taylor would stick too...

This scenario doesn't really have a home for Waters unless he comes in next year rejuvenated.

I dont buy the argument that Waters is done either. I think that having us roll out without a true center and right guard (till Wade solidified right guard) made the left side suffer because of having to "protect the gut"....that left the edges as an area the line got beat in by speed rushers early in the year, consistently. The line has to be one whole cohesive unit and if it has two major weaknesses to account for, it wont work no matter how good the other three are. This is exactly why the line started coming together once Wade Smith entered the starting lineup late in the year.

If we signed Lilja to play a position Wade Smith played quite well at, that is a big mistake.

I just think they signed Lilja to play left guard for us.

BossChief 03-21-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6621942)
Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

OnTheWarpath15 03-21-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6622019)
Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

He's not really an answer, either.

If we used a 5th on him I'd be OK with it. Nothing higher though.

BossChief 03-21-2010 03:35 PM

Ive watched a lot of Bulaga and Calloway and think both will be solid starters that help their teams.

I just dont like Bulaga as high as they are talking about him. I see him as a good value somewhere between 10-15 and I would take Calloway anywhere after the third round.

If we didnt already have an excellent young left tackle, I would probably be backing the trade down and take BB in the first bandwagon and if we came out of the draft with both, I wouldn't be crying in my beer.

I think both get a bad wrap on here


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