In fairness, he stepped into a difficult situation and had almost nothing to work with. A new team, new coaching staff, the offense was changed with only a week or so left in the preseason, no playmakers until Charles emerged, receivers who couldn't catch a cold, and a horrible offensive line.

I agree that he is going to have to have a better season but I think a wait and see approach is a warranted before we deem him a "piece of shit."

Cassel leads by example?

What example would that be?

That you can start in the NFL with no college football experience? :shrug:

Excellent points. Too many strikes against the position right off the bat to make a fair assessment.

True. All sorts of difficult circumstances were facing him.

But I didn't think he was a high-quality player before we acquired him, so I'm loath to "wait and see" anything. I understand your perspective, but if you hated something from the on-set, it pretty much demands evidence to begin to shift your opinion.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Everyone here has a source and that source always supports their opinion. IT's stupid beyond belief. I don't believe a word of this shit.

And the single biggest strike against him was that he's not very talented.

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

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Clausen was dead to me after we passed on him with 2A. Throw that together with the rest of the NFL passing on him mulitple times and the only fair assessment is that he is a dumpster fire.

He's 27. That's not old by any means. If he were a RB he might have 3 years left. For QB's, that's just entering the prime.

I really don't think that Weis wanted Clausen that bad. They could have taken him at 5, they didn't. They could have traded back up into the first to get him, they didn't. They could have taken him at 2a, they didn't. They could have traded up a few spots at 2b, they didn't. Same thing happened with Golden Tate, we passed.

We may have manufactured in our own minds and through various rumors that Weis really wanted his guys, when the reality may be that once he became a coordinator at the NFL level, he looked at it and said there wasn't a huge need to get these guys at this level. Weis may have been more concerned with how he could manufacture more points this year than who can be a QB down the road. And another thing we're forgetting is that Weis was hired in large part to help Matt Cassel succeed, not to help replace Matt Cassel. If the first thing you do is replace the QB, then it doesn't say much about your supposed ability to coach up QB's, especially one that Josh McDaniels supposedly coached up to a good year.

And again, I think we're overstating the influence Cassel has in the decision to bypass Clausen. I think it has more to do with the regime having confidence in Brodie Croyle. They seem to believe that Croyle still has the ability to be a starting QB, and that if Cassel fails, he has the ability to step in. That's what I take from all of Haley's comments on Croyle last year, and the decision to get rid of Thigpen. I don't necessarially agree with it, but they like Croyle...

Well, he may not have had the type of season we all hoped for but he did handle all that adversity admirably in only his second full season as a starter. Which does say something about his character and leadership, IMO.

I can understand your thinking there. When we got Cassel, my mindset wasn't so much that I was against giving him a shot(I knew Glassman Croyle wasn't our answer), but I thought we overpaid for a commodity that hadn't been around long enough to prove himself as an NFL starter. And 60+ million is a lot of cash to have out on a QB that the jury is still out on. I can really see your opinion here.

do you ever STFU? good lord! i bet you annoy the shit out of everyone around you. that guy in the group that everyone kinda dislikes, thats you.

We also had the opportunity to get Brady Quinn, Weis' other college QB, for dirt cheap too and passed. So again, if Charlie really wanted one of his old QB's, it's hard to believe that we'd pass on multiple opportunities to get them...

If Haley had lost (or was even losing) the locker room, no way does the team play like that down the stretch or kick ass in Denver. All we have to go on in this regard is the effort on the field. These guys did not lay down and wait for the season to end.