One question:

Did Pioli **** up with Cassel?

we'll see around week 8

If Sanchez plays like he did in the playoffs yes.

Honestly, if you give up a 2nd round pick and throw 30 mil at the dude and still don't know what you have until halfway through the second season...Id say that would qualify as a **** up

Perception and reality aren't really well aligned here.

We took a TE in the first round twice. Both picks were fine -- solid starters, but unspectacular and therefore somewhat disappointing. Those picks were made in 2002 and 2004.

Starting from the 2003 draft, here's what the Patriots have "spent" on TE in terms of picks:

2003: 7th
2004: 1st
2005: 7th
2006: 3rd and 4th
2007: None
2008: None
2009: None

The 2004 is gone now via FA. The 2006 3rd and 4th round selections didn't pan out well, but they are 3rd and 4th round picks -- they DO have a less than 90'ish percent chance of success in the NFL I do believe.

Now can you please sit here and explain to me, because I"m obviously so dense I can't comprehend it, your brilliant argument at how the Patriots have spent massive resources on TEs and why they should have a roster chock full of All Pros at the position?

So, having established that he ****ed up on Cassel, would it be even more of a **** up to not address the most important position on the team, and to extend that even further, mortgage the future by making selections to try and cover up the fact that you ****ed up in the first place?

Your post makes no sense on several levels.

First, it hasn't been determined that Cassell is a f'up.

Second, are you saying that a good QB doesn't need talent around him? You only need talent on offense if your QB sucks. So if you draft good offensive players you can't actually use them when you get a good QB?

Does that make any frickin' sense at all?

Check my subsequent post. The whole TE thing is waaay overblown, including by most Patriots fans, because (1) we spent two first round picks on them, BUT IT WAS A LONG (IN NFL TERMS) TIME AGO, and (2) most picks were low round picks.

He's referencing Cassel's contract so I don't really know how Patrick Chung is relevant.

Once you realize that the Cassel trade was a **** up, you are free.

Unbind yourself.

Well, if that were to be true...which it will never be( Cassel actually = Gannon on a menstrual cycle day ), Cassel is a tuck rule waiting to happen in the playoffs.
He's more bad NE-karma just waiting to be reaped in a high-stakes situation like that.

How did Hootie get to be so ****ing reeruned? He's gonna' "Manning" his money right down the pisser again?

Good job, ****tard! :thumb:

That made me laugh I won't lie.

Cassel's upside is pretty limited that's the issue here.

Sorry, I completely whiffed on that he was discussing what was traded FOR Cassel, and the contract he was given.

Hey, we got Patrick Chung out of it. If he's a good safety for us, then it wan't a **** up for us.

I'm on the other side of that coin from you guys. :p

It happens, maybe we'll all be wrong and Cassel will be fine, seriously I'd rather be wrong, being right really doesn't do much other than mean I get to watch more shitty football.