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allen_kcCard 12-15-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7261292)
This argument is completely stupid. You glossed right the hell over the alternatives I was bringing up as if I didnt say them and was instead advocating that we release all pedophiles and let them run wild. Let me spell it out for you, clearly and slowly.

If you want to impose the death penalty for child rape, fine. If you want life in prison for the crime, fine. If you think someone is genuinely crazy where they aren't responsible for their actions so prison is not appropriate but they are still a danger to society and have to spend most of their life in a mental institution, fine.

I am not saying lower the punishment, if anything it should be higher, so your high and mighty "oh how dare you underestimate these crimes" argument is misdirected, wrong, and irrelevant. You want to bring the hammer down, then bring the hammer down.

But, your lists are bulls**t. If you are free, you should be free, period. If you are that damned scared of someone being free, perhaps they shouldnt be free.
Got it....alcatraz for everyone because different levels of rehabilitation is wrong.

Donger 12-15-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 7261377)
I did earlier. The guy shuld be allowed to have a dog.
No, you didn't. Here's the question:

Would you let a convicted pedophile babysit your kid after they have served their time?

Ming the Merciless 12-15-2010 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7261380)
Would you let a convicted pedophile babysit your kid after they have served their time?
What does this have to do with the thread topic?

Donger 12-15-2010 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7261382)
What does this have to do with the thread topic?
Some folks on this thread are arguing that pedophiles should just be free and clear once they do their time. So, if that is what they think, would they be okay with these pedophiles babysitting their kids?

Ming the Merciless 12-15-2010 05:55 PM
If you knew him, Would you let Michael Vick watch your dog? That is a more appropriate question...

BIG_DADDY 12-15-2010 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7261349)
I would imagine that since he has tortured and viciously/inhumanely killed dogs in the past, that perhaps he should have ANY breed of dog.
Hell you could still have tarantula fights. The guy paid a HUGE price. What are going to do, not let him own any animal? As a society we go beyond reeruned with this scarlet letter legislation. To me what the city of Denver has done is far worse. Now they want their stupid BSL to apply to the disabled's service dogs even though it is against Federal law to do so.

BIG_DADDY 12-15-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7261389)
If you knew him, Would you let Michael Vick watch your dog? That is a more appropriate question...
And the answer would be yes.

Donger 12-15-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7261389)
If you knew him, Would you let Michael Vick watch your dog? That is a more appropriate question...
Sure. My dog probably has a higher IQ, though.

Ming the Merciless 12-15-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 7261393)
And the answer would be yes.
Mine too, that is my point.

acarter25 12-15-2010 05:57 PM
oh come on now, people are acting like he committed murder. He wants a dog, let him have a dog. Do people really think that if he was going to use this dog to fight that he would have come out to the public and said he wanted one?

Donger 12-15-2010 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7261398)
Mine too, that is my point.
Wait, what's your point?

Ming the Merciless 12-15-2010 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7261401)
Wait, what's your point?
My point is anyone comparing pedophiles to Mike Vick is a ****ing idiot

Donger 12-15-2010 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7261406)
My point is anyone comparing pedophiles to Mike Vick is a ****ing idiot
I agree.

alnorth 12-15-2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 7261379)
Got it....alcatraz for everyone because different levels of rehabilitation is wrong.
These lists are not rehabilitation, they are permenant scarlet letters. Rehabilitation implies that you could be rehabilitated and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but there's not. This is forever, guilty at 18 and out of jail at 29? You get to live with this until 125 with no recourse.

The logic that says these lists (and restrictions on where you can live) is fine could also be used to say that these sex offenders should have an old fashioned cattle iron in the shape of an S heated in a fire and seared into their forehead for all to see and avoid. Why not? we can give them painkillers and have a doctor oversee it so there's no health risk.

If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.

Ming the Merciless 12-15-2010 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7261432)
If we are so scared of these people that we think these extraordinary measures are necessary to be safe, then they should not be out. If someone is cleared to be free, they should be free.
This is simplistic logic. If they would rather be released, and the public is OK with them being released so long as they comply with sex offender lists, why should that not be done? If they don't want to be on the list, then they can go back to jail....they have that option.


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