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patteeu 01-06-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7326348)
I really hope you meant "JIHP".....

LMAO

Chiefnj2 01-06-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7326432)
Owners don't want to invest so heavily in unproven commodities, and proven vets should absolutely resent the Bradfords of the world making more money than lock HOFers, such as P. Manning.

Whether it's "need" or not, things are going to change, and the n00bs will be sold out immediately in an effort to appease ownership and redirect more money into the vets' pockets.

Manning benefits from Bradford, Stafford, Ryan and Sanchez. Why would he resent them? They are driving his price up.

Brock 01-06-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7326439)
Might be. But that will be the ultimate goal from the players' perspective, I'd say.

Plus, the draft doesn't exactly "work" right now. How often do we hear about lengthy holdouts in the NBA? Why?

The system won't be identical, but a slotting system is coming.

I agree there's some problems with it. However, I think the vets are going to find out that when they don't have an underperforming noob they can point to and his oversized contract, it is going to remove some of their leverage for more money.

Mile High Mania 01-06-2011 02:47 PM

Bottom line ... it's his decision and he's made it. Maybe it's more than $ to him and if so, why do we care?

suds79 01-06-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7326441)
Good for him. All the "he's dumb" is kind of icky. He's still going to make more money than most of us will ever see.

Right. Nobody is questioning that he isn't going to make a lot of money and certainly more than us will ever see. That's not the comparison.

The "he's dumb" talk is based on the fact that he's risking potentially millions all to come back for another year.

See Matt Leinart, Jake Locker.

DJ's left nut 01-06-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7326422)
The NFL works. There really isn't a need to change things up.

Tell that to the owners that intend to do just that.

You may well believe it. In fact it may even be true. But the bottom line is that the owners are going to change things up and this is most assuredly a place where the owners and the NFLPA are going to settle on a common enemy.

When there is so little room for agreement, any consensus is held onto like grim death. There's no way in the world this won't be an area they fall back to in order to keep things progressing. That's just the nature of contentious negotiations.

Time will pretty much prove this to be true.

Los Pollos Hermanos 01-06-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7326333)
Rookies aren't represented in the NFLPA.

If the NFL owners say to the players "Okay, we'll stick at 16 games but only if your increase in the revenue share comes first from the rookie pool", the NFLPA will say "sorry rooks, better grab your ankles"

I could see the rookie scale being absolutely demolished for the top 10 picks, easily being cut in half.

Yeah, but you're discounting the pull that agents have with the NFLPA and they do NOT want a rookie scale.

Basileus777 01-06-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 7326465)
Yeah, but you're discounting the pull that agents have with the NFLPA and they do NOT want a rookie scale.

It doesn't matter. The NFLPA doesn't have the power to fight the owners on this.

DJ's left nut 01-06-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 7326465)
Yeah, but you're discounting the pull that agents have with the NFLPA and they do NOT want a rookie scale.

And you're overestimating just how much common ground there is here.

The NFLPA doesn't have a hell of a lot of leverage here, brave faces be damned. Those guys are going to get antsy much sooner than the owners will and it seems like fans tend to turn on the players before the owners as well.

If the players held all the cards here you might be right - but they don't. They're going to have to give up something and they really don't have a lot to play with. This is an area that they can yield on without hurting themselves too badly.

I'm not saying they'll do it out of the kindness of their hearts or that they'll do it unanimously. I'm saying that they'll do it grudgingly because it's one of the few palatable options they have.

Los Pollos Hermanos 01-06-2011 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7326472)
And you're overestimating just how much common ground there is here.

The NFLPA doesn't have a hell of a lot of leverage here, brave faces be damned. Those guys are going to get antsy much sooner than the owners will and it seems like fans tend to turn on the players before the owners as well.

If the players held all the cards here you might be right - but they don't. They're going to have to give up something and they really don't have a lot to play with. This is an area that they can yield on without hurting themselves too badly.

I'm not saying they'll do it out of the kindness of their hearts or that they'll do it unanimously. I'm saying that they'll do it grudgingly because it's one of the few palatable options they have.

I agree with you, mostly because of all the issues this seems to be the one that the owners are the most hell bent on. And they have the public support on it.

Mr. Laz 01-06-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7326472)
it seems like fans tend to turn on the players before the owners as well.

tell the MLB owners that

Brock 01-06-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 7326484)
I agree with you, mostly because of all the issues this seems to be the one that the owners are the most hell bent on. And they have the public support on it.

Don't kid yourself. Their big issue is and will continue to be the 60-40 split.

ChiefsCountry 01-06-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7326543)
Don't kid yourself. Their big issue is and will continue to be the 60-40 split.

This.
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nychief 01-06-2011 03:37 PM

So Gabbert goes no. 1 overall?






joke.

mohammedhali 01-06-2011 03:45 PM

doesn't really matter, there won't be a season next year. I smell a lockout.


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