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Rukdafaidas 09-03-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7877573)
Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

Haley and Pioli watch these guys play every day, we don't. They know who's better and we don't. I trust their judgement.

Iconic 09-03-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas (Post 7877592)
Haley and Pioli watch these guys play every day, we don't. They know who's better and we don't. I trust their judgement.

Then no one should complain about Battle, Jones, Cassel, Stude, etc. That argument is stale and can be used for virtually anything.

milkman 09-03-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7877590)
I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player. I mean I agree with that argument myself. I shrug stats of when debating about Cassel. But for a SpecialTeamer that's about all you'd go of off I'd assume.

Neither are worth a crap as returners, so you can throw those numbers out the window.

What you have to watch is how they manage their lanes and handle bockers.

Copper is always in position to either make the tackle, or redirect the returner to heavier punt coverage.

Tucker gets a lot of his tackles because he let the returner run by him, through his lane, and has to catch up from behind.

Frankie 09-03-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7877573)
Tucker's special teams stats are better then Coppers. Just like his receiving stats... How is he not the best option for our last receiver spot. I don't even mind keeping Copper but Colbert over Tucker is just blasphemy.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7877576)
I'm going to tell you what I say to everyone that brings stats to an argument.

Stats mean jack.

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7877590)
I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player.

Based on stats and Coppers two stupid drops last night I would have liked Tucker to stay and Copper to go.

That said, there are intangibles that we do not see and the coaches who see the players every day do.

Frankie 09-03-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7877645)
Copper is always in position to either make the tackle, or redirect the returner to heavier punt coverage.

Tucker gets a lot of his tackles because he let the returner run by him, through his lane, and has to catch up from behind.

I haven't watched their special team performances carefully at all. But that's a very interesting point.

aturnis 09-03-2011 10:17 PM

Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts. Again, I respect you and your views, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Weathered and respected here as you are, you've earned the right to spout a bit of bullshit here and there.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

milkman 09-03-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7877809)
Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

It's only thin if you don't know what you're watching.

This argument is about the reason that Copper makes the team due to STs play, not because of receiving skills.

You're right about the dropped balls costing him.

But just last night, you see Copper stay in his lane on a punt return, and the returner turned into the middle of the field, where hes met by a slew of tacklers.

A couple of punts later, you see Tucker run right by the returner, and he's able to get to the outside for a good return.

Tucker didn't stay in his lane.

He tried to get around a blocker, leaving his lane, rather than take on the blocker in his lane.

wasi 09-04-2011 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7877815)
It's only thin if you don't know what you're watching.

This argument is about the reason that Copper makes the team due to STs play, not because of receiving skills.

You're right about the dropped balls costing him.

But just last night, you see Copper stay in his lane on a punt return, and the returner turned into the middle of the field, where hes met by a slew of tacklers.

A couple of punts later, you see Tucker run right by the returner, and he's able to get to the outside for a good return.

Tucker didn't stay in his lane.

He tried to get around a blocker, leaving his lane, rather than take on the blocker in his lane.

The TD pass he dropped (against the Rams I think) didn't help his cause.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7877590)
I'm not sure there's any other way to judge a special teams player. I mean I agree with that argument myself. I shrug stats of when debating about Cassel. But for a SpecialTeamer that's about all you'd go of off I'd assume.

Wow, this is a sleeper of a post for dumbest of the year LMAO Seriously???

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7877809)
Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts. Again, I respect you and your views, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Weathered and respected here as you are, you've earned the right to spout a bit of bullshit here and there.

That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands.

Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason?

Huh? Milk is 100% spot on with his analysis of the ST play. Copper was known as a damn good special teams player before he became a Chief. The Chiefs had excellent kick coverage teams last year and Copper was outstanding in his role.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2011 07:28 AM

I can't believe we cut Tucker for a trio of turds like Copper, Urban and Colbert. Half our WR corps has zero potential.

-King- 09-04-2011 08:01 AM

I will laugh my ass off as McCluster has more yards than Tucker
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aturnis 09-04-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7878065)
I will laugh my ass off as McCluster has more yards than Tucker
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http://www.sonnet87.com/wp-content/u.../06/lolque.jpg

Of course he'll have more yards...Tucker, as of this point, is out of professional football.

RealSNR 09-04-2011 08:54 AM

It appears our season is doomed now that we don't have Tucker.

Where was all this love during the preseason/training camp? Nobody came forward in support of Tucker. Nobody even remarked anything about the supposed improvements he made in his route running (I really didn't notice). All we did was bitch at him when he couldn't catch the damn ball.

Well now the invisible man has been cut, and NOW people bitch. I don't get it.

Titty Meat 09-04-2011 09:03 AM

Tucker was a deep ball threat who clearly had skill (see the game against Oakland last year). It's bullshit that he was cut.


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