ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Mellinger: Chiefs need to make fixes, but not at head coach (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254468)

RustShack 01-03-2012 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8259877)
Please elaborate.

I do not want Cassel here either...but with Cassel, "Pioli's guy", coupled with the the success McDaniels had with Cassel in the past...it would almost be a guarantee that Cassel would be the starter under McDaniels. I don't see how you could view it otherwise...

-Now-

PLEASE...tell me why I am wrong. :)

Well Crennel has stated a few times his support for Orton to be the QB next year. McDaniels(if we end up with him somehow) ended up having more success with Orton than he did Cassel, and he had a far better supporting cast with Cassel too.

whoman69 01-03-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8259782)
whoever the LB coach is probably deserves a promotion or even the CB's coach, is it still Emmit Thomas? that would be cool to see him as DC

If you aren't even sure who they are, how can you tout them for DC?

okcchief 01-03-2012 04:37 PM

I like Romeo better than Haley or Herm. The bar can't get any lower :)

Easy 6 01-03-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8259819)
The crop of available coaches is so bad, I don't see why Romeo shouldn't get hired.

Thats exactly what too many people are forgetting, there isnt a single 'sexy' candidate out there.

And as for Romeo being a 'lackey' or 'foot shuffling porter' to Pioli... ANY coach brought in is going to have to reckon with & cede some power to him, for as long as he's here, period.

Give Romeo a bona-fide OC & lets move on.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-03-2012 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 8259880)
Well Crennel has stated a few times his support for Orton to be the QB next year. McDaniels(if we end up with him somehow) ended up having more success with Orton than he did Cassel, and he had a far better supporting cast with Cassel too.

Yeah...However, I think Pioli will get final say WHO the QB will be.

In the said scenario...

Pioli: "Josh...you did pretty well with both Orton and Cassel."

McDaniels: "Yes"

Pioli: "Well seeing Matt has 'chemistry' with the current players and is already under contract...let's try to rekindle that relationship between you guys. Orton will get an offer somewhere."

McDaniels: "Yes master"

RAC: "But I said Orton sho..."

Pioli: "There is no more to be said regarding this topic."

Jerm 01-03-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8259939)
Yeah...However, I think Pioli will get final say WHO the QB will be.

In the said scenario...

Pioli: "Josh...you did pretty well with both Orton and Cassel."

McDaniels: "Yes"

Pioli: "Well seeing Matt has 'chemistry' with the current players and is already under contract...let's try to rekindle that relationship between you guys. Orton will get an offer somewhere."

McDaniels: "Yes master"

RAC: "But I said Orton sho..."

Pioli: "There is no more to be said regarding this topic."

Exactly what I'm afraid of...hiring Romeo full time and bringing in McDaniels gives Pioli nothing but yes men around him.

htismaqe 01-03-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8259726)
The signing of Orton and firing of Haley gave KC a legit shot at making the playoffs.

They beat a team they shouldn't have and lost to a team they shouldn't have.

They didn't have a legit shot at jack shit.

Messier 01-03-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8259939)
Yeah...However, I think Pioli will get final say WHO the QB will be.

In the said scenario...

Pioli: "Josh...you did pretty well with both Orton and Cassel."

McDaniels: "Yes"

Pioli: "Well seeing Matt has 'chemistry' with the current players and is already under contract...let's try to rekindle that relationship between you guys. Orton will get an offer somewhere."

McDaniels: "Yes master"

RAC: "But I said Orton sho..."

Pioli: "There is no more to be said regarding this topic."

I don't think so. I know it flies in the face of what everyone around here believes, but I don't think Pioli ever tells coaches who plays and who doesn't. It's not his job. And no matter how egotistical Pioli is, telling his coaches who to play would mean NO ONE would be willing to coach the Chiefs.

htismaqe 01-03-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8260006)
I don't think so. I know it flies in the face of what everyone around here believes, but I don't think Pioli ever tells coaches who plays and who doesn't. It's not his job. And no matter how egotistical Pioli is, telling his coaches who to play would mean NO ONE would be willing to coach the Chiefs.

So far we've gotten Todd Haley, after 2 years as a semi-successful coordinator, and Romeo Crennel, who is lucky he's even being considered for another HC job.

So saying "nobody" is willing to coach here is actually pretty accurate.

RustShack 01-03-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8259939)
Yeah...However, I think Pioli will get final say WHO the QB will be.

In the said scenario...

Pioli: "Josh...you did pretty well with both Orton and Cassel."

McDaniels: "Yes"

Pioli: "Well seeing Matt has 'chemistry' with the current players and is already under contract...let's try to rekindle that relationship between you guys. Orton will get an offer somewhere."

McDaniels: "Yes master"

RAC: "But I said Orton sho..."

Pioli: "There is no more to be said regarding this topic."

The thing is Cassel was always our best option because Pioli didn't want to bring in anyone else. Last year he drafted Stanzi, and now he signed Orton. Pioli isn't going to be blind to how much better Orton was in all three of his games than Cassel was all year on the same team.

RustShack 01-03-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8260006)
I don't think so. I know it flies in the face of what everyone around here believes, but I don't think Pioli ever tells coaches who plays and who doesn't. It's not his job. And no matter how egotistical Pioli is, telling his coaches who to play would mean NO ONE would be willing to coach the Chiefs.

Exactly. If it was up to Pioli, Palko wouldn't have been starting as long as he was. Its no coincidence that a QB change game after a coaching change.

RustShack 01-03-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8260014)
So far we've gotten Todd Haley, after 2 years as a semi-successful coordinator, and Romeo Crennel, who is lucky he's even being considered for another HC job.

So saying "nobody" is willing to coach here is actually pretty accurate.

How is he lucky to get another job? How many of the great coaches have only coached one team? The Browns have been bad under every coach, including the great Bill Billichick.

zonachief 01-03-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 8254824)
I think he's a pretty good coordinator, but I'm not going to ignore the huge blow-outs that happened under his watch.

A fair approach is to look at his ENTIRE body of work.

His defenses were taken to the woodshed in a few games, that's reality.

The constant three and outs on offense had plenty to do with this ..

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

Mr_Tomahawk 01-03-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8259819)
The crop of available coaches is so bad, I don't see why Romeo shouldn't get hired.

Yeah, he has the support of the team, but I really don't think that's a negative. The defense continued to improve, he actually beat playoff teams, which is something Haley and Cassel couldn't and the staff is going to get overhauled.

I'm not as down on McDaniels as many, but I don't think for a minute that McDaniels = Cassel.







Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8259877)
Please elaborate.

I do not want Cassel here either...but with Cassel, "Pioli's guy", coupled with the the success McDaniels had with Cassel in the past...it would almost be a guarantee that Cassel would be the starter under McDaniels. I don't see how you could view it otherwise...

-Now-

PLEASE...tell me why I am wrong. :)

Still wanna hear your thoughts about mcdaniels as an oc doesnt mean we will stick with cassel as a starter. Thank you mr bad guy!

Sent from my MB612 using Tapatalk

Monty 01-03-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8259982)
They beat a team they shouldn't have and lost to a team they shouldn't have.

They didn't have a legit shot at jack shit.

Technically, they did achieve jack shit.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:26 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.