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Nightfyre 01-15-2012 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8301594)
He didn't play that well this past season. He was downright horrible in the Utah-ASU game and really cost his team with some really dumb personal fouls and plays in that game alone. He can hit people, but that's about it. He didn't show very good instincts.

If it's not Kuechly in the first or Hightower in the second (barring any movement), I'd rather them go another direction, give Belcher another year of growth and possibly look at Manti Te'o of Notre Dame next year with their first rounder. After Kuechly and Hightower, there is a real drop off in talent or you'd have to hit with a diamond in the rough type guy late in the draft. (See my seventh rounder McSurdy - I think someone posted Walter's draft around here and he had us taking a Montana CB, but the real stud of the Grizzlies defense was McSurdy, who was the conference defensive POY. A real thumper with great instincts.)

I'll assume you've watched all of the UM games to backup this McSurdy claim. ROFL

RealSNR 01-16-2012 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8301628)
I'll assume you've watched all of the UM games to backup this McSurdy claim. ROFL

He's projecting him as a 7th rounder. It sounds like he might be the Brian Shay of college linebackers.

Nightfyre 01-16-2012 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8301673)
He's projecting him as a 7th rounder. It sounds like he might be the Brian Shay of college linebackers.

McSurdy was no where near the heart and soul of that defense. That defense started and ended up front.

Saccopoo 01-16-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8301628)
I'll assume you've watched all of the UM games to backup this McSurdy claim. ROFL

Three this past season actually. My cousin's "friend" graduated from Montana, so we usually catch a couple of the Grizzlies games every season. (Her and her friends actually have a yearly reunion of sorts here in SLC to watch one of the games - typically the Montana/Weber State matchup, which we actually go to when it's held here in Utah.)

spanky 52 01-16-2012 05:43 AM

BPA will likely be DeCastro who also fits a need.

Bewbies 01-16-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky 52 (Post 8301851)
BPA will likely be DeCastro who also fits a need.

A true game changer. A G in the top 12. FML.

Coogs 01-16-2012 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog_5 (Post 8301346)
Yea the O-line needs upgrading but I sure would hate to use our top 2 picks on the OL.

49ers did it in the 2010 draft with Davis at #11 and Iupati at #17 in the first round.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-16-2012 09:40 AM

What about your 5th round TE? Is there a gronkowski type coming out this year? I know we'd have to get him earlier than the 5th if there was. Watching the Pats with RG and AH make me want an elite TE, I've already forgotten what that's like from the TG days.

Chase Coffman should he available, couldn't he be an elite weapon in the passing game? Obviously a liability in run blocking but who needs to run anymore.
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htismaqe 01-16-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8301977)
49ers did it in the 2010 draft with Davis at #11 and Iupati at #17 in the first round.

Let's not anoint them just yet.

Coogs 01-16-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8302053)
Let's not anoint them just yet.

I'm not. I think the Jets did it a few years prior to that with D'Brick and Mangold in the first round. Not 100% sure on that, but that is what I recall.

O.city 01-16-2012 10:50 AM

I love the idea of fixing hte oline. Get young and really good up front, so Stanzi has a chance next year.

Saccopoo 01-16-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 8301980)
What about your 5th round TE? Is there a gronkowski type coming out this year? I know we'd have to get him earlier than the 5th if there was. Watching the Pats with RG and AH make me want an elite TE, I've already forgotten what that's like from the TG days.

Chase Coffman should he available, couldn't he be an elite weapon in the passing game? Obviously a liability in run blocking but who needs to run anymore.
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Mike Williams of Alabama is a tight end in the mold of a Jason Dunn type player - big, physical and is effectively another tackle on the edge. He is athletic enough to be effective in the pass game, but he's first and foremost a run blocking end - probably the best of that type in this draft.

If Moeaki is capable of coming back from his blown knee and having two very big wide receivers in Bowe and Baldwin, another pass catching type of tight end isn't really required. However, an effective run blocker like Williams is is something this offense has lacked since Dunn was let go/retired.

Williams has paved the way for two superlative running backs in Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson. He's a much better option to have in that role rather than having Moeaki stay back to cover Barry Richardson's huge blocking deficiencies or having McCluster try to keep defensive ends off of the quarterback.

However, Williams is a red shirt junior who hasn't decided if he's going to stay at Alabama or enter the draft. At this point, I'm almost thinking that he stays and works on increasing his receiving numbers which will help his draft stock in 2013.

I'm not really impressed by the tight end class this year outside of Dwayne Allen. It's definitely not the 2010 class, which was amazing - Gresham, Gronkowski, Graham, Hernandez, Pitta, Dickson, Moeaki and McCoy all are starters for their teams and Graham and Gronkowski had a record setting type season in 2011. (Though, considering who was throwing to them skewed their numbers a bit.) I think Fleener is the college version of Deon Branch - numbers and production skewed by who is throwing to him (in fact, I think all those Stanford offensive guys (Martin, DeCastro, Fleener) are a being a bit overvalued due to Andrew Luck's capabilities). (Which is why I really like Peter Konz - he had an even better year in 2011 and that's without 2011 first rounder Gabe Carimi to help him. The guy has just about every measurable and game performance to put him at "elite" level for his position.)

Coogs 01-16-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8302398)
However, Williams is a red shirt junior who hasn't decided if he's going to stay at Alabama or enter the draft. At this point, I'm almost thinking that he stays and works on increasing his receiving numbers which will help his draft stock in 2013.

Yesterday was the day. According to this list, he is staying in school...

http://www.gbnreport.com/juniors.htm

Saccopoo 01-16-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8302430)
Yesterday was the day. According to this list, he is staying in school...

http://www.gbnreport.com/juniors.htm

Thanks Coogs. I was looking for it this morning but couldn't find anything on him. I figured that he might. Guess I gotta fix that pick.

Bewbies 01-16-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8301977)
49ers did it in the 2010 draft with Davis at #11 and Iupati at #17 in the first round.

Good thing they already had a #1 overall pick already playing at QB... LMAO


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