Carr and Flowers were developing extremely well as rookies. And Carr damn near got demolished by Haley when he arrived; he got knocked backwards by the coaching staff, IMO. Dorsey's skill-set is nowhere near worth the #5 overall pick yet many were arguing we got the steal of the first round when he slipped to us in the 1st the year we took him. Dorsey was an elite talent coming out of school that has become nothing more than a throw-away lunch-pail player that absolutely needs to be upgraded.

Bowe, and Johnson were all well on their way to being good players until Haley came in and shit all over them in 2009. So yeah, compared to what Haley turned them into in 2009, they were gangbusters in 2010. They'd have been just as well off under adequate coaching from damn near anyone. Pioli gets credit for Bowe....that just cracks me up.

How is 8 wins optimistic when they won 7 last season with all the injuries?

Potential Pro Bowler in Moeaki...

Holy shit, that's rich.

I guess it's possible there's a year in which Gronkowski, Hernandez, Gates and Keller all die...

And Moeaki actually stays healthy.

My only beef with Pioli is the QB position.

You can't keep failing at that position.

It sickens me to think how good this team could be with a solid QB.

Bruce Gradkowski is NOT going to make the Pro Bowl. ;)

Pioli actually should get some credit for Dorsey and Hali. He could have looked at the two of them and said "they don't fit what I want to do" and sent them packing. Lord knows a lot of people here wanted (and some still want in Dorsey's case) to do it.

Well done, Capt. Obvious :)

Wow, how could I possibly have missed how this was a "tongue in cheek" comment?

Nice backpedal.

:clap:

Well played, sir.

When you want to dive back into discussion, rather than fire off drive-bys, we've got a thread here you can use.

Moeaki has Pro Bowl upside, with a really good quarterback a 70-80 catch season isn't terribly unlikely.

LOL When is the phrase "Haters gotta hate" a serious comment?

Say stupid shit, get called on it.

He's the 4th best TE in his draft class, much less the league.

When he's actually playing, that is.

You can't keep saying "possible" while ignoring the fact that the only reason anyone worried about that pick was his injury risk.

He's injury prone - period. He was injury prone in college and now he's straining his body even harder to compete with larger, faster men then ever before. He's being hit by guys that hit harder than ever. He's not going to suddenly escape the injury issues.

He's always going to be an injury risk. Even if he gives you a healthy season, can you truly count on him for the following season? Can you ever truly build an offense with him identified as a critical contributor?

I just don't see it. He's an injury risk that's been injured as a professional. He has the potential to do great things in this league...just as he did going into the draft. But alas, the dude can't stay on the field and if you can't rely on the guy, what good is he?

Since when is the phrase, "you cant be so blind in your hate to say this team would not compete for SB with a good QB" not a serious comment?